Possible level/story jumps....really?

[Lambdafish]

move on to playing what it is they paid for.

What they paid for is a levelling experience and an endgame experience, the jobs just so happen to be endgame. I bought FFXV, do I demand to get the cool looking endgame glamour at the start because I paid for the game? The restrictions were made many many months before HW came out and what the players purchased included this limitation.

I'm not saying having access to the jobs without levelling isn't better (NIN worked much better), but demanding that the developers change the game because you pay for it is an awful attitude that strips them from any creative integrity. Sure, leave feedback, it was a bad move, maybe don't do it in SB, the devs may take that on board, but don't parade around acting like you "paid" for the new jobs, you didn't, you paid for an expansion pack that had jobs as a selling point within the ishgard area.

[Lexia]

Because new people beelining it to HW just want to unlock the damn jobs and move on to playing what it is they paid for. They signed on to play 3.0, and ARR is a barrier.

Well you can't buy 3.0 by itself and play it as a stand alone, unless they bought the base game and then the expansion separately (which still need to install base to install expansion) cause when expansion release a bundle is released. Which is Final Fantasy XIV + Heavensward it new expansion not Heavensward (oh and it old base game). If person wants to view it as a barrier then I guess that their loss. It just another one of those people failing to be a informed consumer on what they are buying..

[Derio]

Wouldn't it put more bots in higher lvl areas.

[Jandor]

Does any other game offer these boosts other than WoW?

Is copying a game well past its prime a good idea? Certainly doesn't seem to have drawn in new players in over there.

I can't think of any other, every expansion I can think of either lets you in as part of the price, or makes you play through at least a chunk of the base game.

[Enur]

Does any other game offer these boosts other than WoW?

Is copying a game well past its prime a good idea? Certainly doesn't seem to have drawn in new players in over there.

I can't think of any other, every expansion I can think of either lets you in as part of the price, or makes you play through at least a chunk of the base game.

Star Wars the old republic, Guild wars 2, world of warcraft (as you mentioned) all offer a lvl boost. They are also the three main MMO's that come to my mind when thinking "Popular MMO"

I see no reason why copying another game is a problem. Especially when its a feature that could draw in more players to the relevant content.

[Jandor]

Star Wars the old republic, Guild wars 2, world of warcraft (as you mentioned) all offer a lvl boost. They are also the three main MMO's that come to my mind when thinking "Popular MMO"

A F2P game, a F2P/B2P hybrid, a game over a decade old.

I see no reason why copying another game is a problem. Especially when its a feature that could draw in more players to the relevant content.

Are we getting rid of subs? If we're copying that idea as well then sure, I withdraw my objection..

[Enur]

A F2P game, a F2P/B2P hybrid, a game over a decade old.



Are getting rid of subs? If we're copying that idea as well then sure, I withdraw my objection..

Right now thers only two, yes two, MMO's that are on a subscription model and are somewhat succesful. These two are WoW and FFXIV. One of these is very succesful and has a "jump potion" for newcomers. The other has 300+ required quests before the endgame.

Can you guess whos who? and can you guess which of the two will continue to draw in new players?

I can. And my answer is World of warcraft. Not allowing people to play the part of the game that was advertized to them is simply unfeasable in this day and age.

[Jandor]

Right now theirs only two, yes two, MMO's that are on a subscription model and are somewhat succesful. These two are WoW and FFXIV.

You forgot EVE.

One of these is very successful and has a "jump potion" for newcomers. The other has 300+ required quests before the endgame.

When WoW was at its most successful it didn't need to offer jump potions.

Can you guess whos who? and can you guess which of the two will continue to draw in new players?

WoW doesn't draw in new players, it had over 12m subs at its peak, the well of people prepared to give WoW a go was run dry a long time ago.
I'd guess that the amount of people playing WoWs latest expansion that have never played WoW before is absolutely minuscule.

I can. And my answer is World of warcraft. Not allowing people to play the part of the game that was advertized to them is simply unfeasable in this day and age.

I haven't argued against letting players skip chunks of the story, I haven't argued that players should be denied access to all expansion content. I was one of those who argued that Ishgard and the 3.0 jobs should have ways of accessing them before completing the 2.X MSQ over a year ago.

I'm just saying that SE shouldn't be selling fixes to these problems, they should just be fixing them.

(Honestly, the 3.0 jobs... DRK would have fit Ul'dah perfectly, being dicks to refugees is like Ul'dahs thing, Astrologian could have started at the Observatory in Coerthas Central and there is a guild of gun users in Limsa ready and waiting for Machinist.)

You asked for examples. You can't then say "well, those examples aren't good enough!" FFXIV is currently the only MMO still clinging to the archaic quests unlock everything system, thus you won't get a direct comparison.

I didn't say the examples were not good enough, I was showing they all have somewhat exonerating reasons/excuses. The F2P games don't have the same steady revenue streams and the ancient MMO behemoth has literally millions and millions of nostalgic ex-customers to try and lure back.

As I said, if we're going F2P or B2P consider my objections to this withdrawn.

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I feel like we're all just repeating ourselves at this point. I'll make my decisions regarding my money when the time comes, as will others, that's all any of us can really do I suppose. Not like anyone important is actually reading this shit anyway .

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I miss the 2.0 to 2.4 period, when a big MMO from a major publisher existed without microtransactions .
Hell, forget MMO's, a major game from a major publisher was novel enough.

[Belhi]

Does any other game offer these boosts other than WoW?

Is copying a game well past its prime a good idea? Certainly doesn't seem to have drawn in new players in over there.

I can't think of any other, every expansion I can think of either lets you in as part of the price, or makes you play through at least a chunk of the base game.

A lot of other MMOs offer boosts. I would also point out that WoW is still the most dominant and largest MMO in the World and in Legion hit its highest concurrent user level since its 12 million sub glory days of Wrath. Note, it had 10 million subs at the start of Warlords of Dreanor.

If your really wanting to ask what other sub MMOs out there apart from FF14 offer a lvl boost, your first going to need to find more sub MMOs. They are kind of a rare breed.

Even EVE online is F2P these days. Oh and you have been able to buy skill level from other players now and since you can get in game currency with money in EVE online that means you can buy a highly advanced character with money.

I feel like there is a better way to do this that doesn't lock someone out of going back and doing quest content. If Blizzard and ArenaNet can figure it out, then SE can. >_> They just need to find a way to unflag the "intro to HW" quest so that it can be picked up as soon as one hits 50 (while simultaneously removing the requirements to be on X story quest to unlock dungeons or jobs).

They said their current quest tracking system doesn't allow for it and it would be a non trivial amount of time and resources to change. Their focus seems to have been on other systems like cross server Party Finder, Raid Finder and probably the server/inventory upgrade.

[WeekendSoja]

here's to hoping they add jump potions! I see no downside to them adding this to the cash shop, honestly, it's nothing but a win for the game in itself.

Even though this is coming from a guy who has not used the cash shop at all, I support people who do buy stuff. All it means for me is that ff14 gets to report a potentially positive ROI and if this ROI is significant than ff14 may get appropriated more funds per expansion after ROA analytics...my gameplay gets more attention this way...let's go smart business move!