Possible level/story jumps....really?

[Teryaani]

If you define Pay to Win as paying for a power increase, it's pay to win. If you (kinda narrowly) define pay to win as "pay to clear or help clear current end tier content" then you have a small amount of wiggle room on it.

If they did this 3-4 years from now I think people would care a lot less.

[Bloodb]

I don't want them to do this now or 3-4 years from now. Isn't there any way to avoid it?

Can the MSQ for say 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, 5.0 etc.. eventually be unlocked from every other expansion? So if the max level is 100 with various ways of leveling up, you don't have to follow a 2,000 part quest-chain to get access to the latest expansion content. It'd make the game more fun and have the story and rewards waiting for people who want to experience it.

[Teryaani]

I don't want them to do this now or 3-4 years from now. Isn't there any way to avoid it?

Can the MSQ for say 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, 5.0 etc.. eventually be unlocked from every other expansion? So if the max level is 100 with various ways of leveling up, you don't have to follow a 2,000 part quest-chain to get access to the latest expansion content. It'd make the game more fun and have the story and rewards waiting for people who want to experience it.

Sure. Nothing says they have to do it. We're only talking about it because Yoshi mentioned it in passing. Which he does to a lot of things that never happen. They're already streamlining the MSQ and 4.0 won't have the same gates that 3.0 did.

[Tisharu]

For people that say it's not Pay to Win, don't forgot that using the potion you also get 300k, chocobo feather, and complete i70 gears to start. Meaning you can jump right in the game. For people who can't offord or pay for the potion, they are at a disadvantage. Person with paying for the potion will always be ahead of the game.

[SDaemon]

For people that say it's not Pay to Win, don't forgot that using the potion you also get 300k, chocobo feather, and complete i70 gears to start. Meaning you can jump right in the game. For people who can't offord or pay for the potion, they are at a disadvantage. Person with paying for the potion will always be ahead of the game.

Disadvantage in regards to what? By the time the person who levels normally hits 60 they'll be have acquired far beyond i70 gear and much much much more than 300k gil. And how will they always be behind? There is a cap to what you can achieve gear wise and it resets ever other major patch. Gil comes and goes depending on your nack for it. A 300k handout isn't going to last anyone long if they have no talent for managing gil and profit, that person leveling normally could easily outstrip the boosted player's fortune by millions.

[Tisharu]

Disadvantage in regards to what? By the time the person who levels normally hits 60 they'll be have acquired far beyond i70 gear and much much much more than 300k gil. And how will they always be behind? There is a cap to what you can achieve gear wise and it resets ever other major patch. Gil comes and goes depending on your nack for it. A 300k handout isn't going to last anyone long if they have no talent for managing gil and profit, that person leveling normally could easily outstrip the boosted player's fortune by millions.

The person that bought the potion to max level can grind the tomb faster since they already hit max level. Yes Tomb have a cap, but the person that bought the potion can grind the highest currency of tomb on day one since they are already max level and skip all the contents.

On the other hand the person level normally take much longer to reach max level. By the time they reach max level, let say 2 - 3 Months. They lose out on a big chunk of the tombstone to buy the highest gears. The other person reach max level already grinding away those tomb already have their character at max ilevel and already raiding and already gearing up their 2nd character to almost max ilv too by the time the person who didn't bought the potion still struggling to reach max level and full story quest.

Do the math and you will understand.

[SDaemon]

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If you stopped and considered how gearing and patch cycles work in this game you'd realize that your point is not an issue. Both players will get to the same point and reach the same ilvl with the same gear and once the tome reset happens when the next currency comes out nothing will have mattered. It is no different than if we both started on the same day and I leveled much faster than you, are you now disadvantaged because I am now level 60 and you are still level 20? Players will always be higher level than others. I suppose you could argue that the person who leveled faster earned it, but really what exactly did they do other than player more. In which case the person who is level 20 and plays more will more than likely still end up outpacing the person who is now a boosted 60. What matters is if things give other players an unfair advantage that cannot be overcome by playing the game. In this situation, the person leveling normally will catch up and has all the potential to surpass the boosted player.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

For people that say it's not Pay to Win, don't forgot that using the potion you also get 300k, chocobo feather, and complete i70 gears to start. Meaning you can jump right in the game. For people who can't offord or pay for the potion, they are at a disadvantage. Person with paying for the potion will always be ahead of the game.

That's Pay for Convenience; very mild, borderline useless, convenience. You'll get upwards of 76,000 just by doing your challenge log for the week, which can easily be done through spamming easy content. Feathers are given to anyone using Recruit-a-friend and i70 is garbage. At level 50, you want the Ironworks gear immediately. So none of those perks mean much.

[Tisharu]

That's Pay for Convenience; very mild, borderline useless, convenience. You'll get upwards of 76,000 just by doing your challenge log for the week, which can easily be done through spamming easy content. Feathers are given to anyone using Recruit-a-friend and i70 is garbage. At level 50, you want the Ironworks gear immediately. So none of those perks mean much.

Yes you can argue that those are pay for convenience and it isn't pay to win. Why, everything can be really fall in the categories of pay for convenience. I think anything that is exp boost, instant level gain to max level, skip all contents are pay to win. If you go to any Free to Play game with Cash Shop now their hottest selling items are Exp Boost. But here, it even worst since you don't even have to grind. Boom, instant max level and skipping all contents. I believed anything else like cosmetic, server changed, name changed, fall int he categories of not pay to win. I guess different people have different ways of interpreted what is pay to win.

Keep saying it isn't pay to win is just supporting the cash shop and they will see how far they can really push this. What's next? Instant Anima grind because it is too long?

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

Why, everything can be really fall in the categories of pay for convenience. I think anything that is exp boost, instant level gain to max level, skip all contents are pay to win.

Yeah, its absolutely pay 2 win. I remember when people wouldn't touch a MMO that sold xp potions that increased ur xp gain by 50% or so. Now ppl are totally fine buying potions that just give you 60 levels worth of xp. Man times have changed. The devs going to really have to sell me on the next expansion with features like actual difficult dungeons or something. Else I'm prob not going to buy it just to grind super easy dungeons for tomestones for another 2 years. I'm going to wait for a few announcements / interviews before i completely write off the game though. Adding level boosters and sellable subscription tokens is a good way to make me want to quit.