Possible level/story jumps....really?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

But what's worse is, considering they're planning this potion already, I have a feeling that this means that subs are either not growing, or going down...but I'm only speculating so don't take me seriously.

Or they recognize in a game where we're considering climbing up, requiring new players to slug through a massive amount of quests will further deter them. This will only become a bigger hurdle as the game grows. People want to play with their friends not do an occasional dungeon or two than spend the next 10 hours on their own again. SE likely wants to get this out of the way early.

[bass9020]

Or they recognize in a game where we're considering climbing up, requiring new players to slug through a massive amount of quests will only further deter them. This will only become a bigger hurdle as the game grows. People want to play with their friends not do an occasional dungeon or two than spend the next 10 hours on their own again. SE likely wants to get this out of the way early.

They can still play with there friends! It makes no sense what so ever to allow someone into content where they don't belong because they have friends waiting. They will get to it when they get to it.

[NaesakiAshwell]

They can still play with there friends! It makes no sense what so ever to allow someone into content where they don't belong because they have friends waiting. They will get to it when they get to it.

I also don't know about you but I wouldn't want to play with friends who won't even deign to come back and help me through the past content because its old to them and they simply want to rush on ahead to the endgame in a couple weeks so they can complain some about the lack of things even when there is tons for them to do, they simply refuse to do it.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

They can still play with there friends! It makes no sense what so ever to allow someone into content where they don't belong because they have friends waiting. They will get to it when they get to it.

Well that attitude won't keep people in the game or attract new players. How do you propose to keep things as they are now 3 expansion packs from now?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

They can still play with there friends! It makes no sense what so ever to allow someone into content where they don't belong because they have friends waiting. They will get to it when they get to it.

And that attitude is what causes them to quit. Doing everything to reach Heavensward at a non-grind pace is basically a full month before you'll be anywhere near your friends-- much longer if you do anything else. A lot of people aren't going to wait that long nor do they have any desire to speed up the progress with 10+ hour days. I don't like a jump potion, but it does make sense from a business perspective. SE wants new players to easily have access to relevant content. While I, too, worried over DF being swamped with bad players. If we're honest, the people who have any interest in playing well, will ask questions and research their selected job because they want to be good. Bad players won't give a damn even if you spell it out for them. Grinding through the story to "learn your job" isn't going to make a lazy player less lazy. I mean, think about it. How many of us grind fates to level alt jobs then learn to play them effectively at much higher levels? I did that with DRG, and am doing it with DRK. We learned the jobs at near max level. New players who want to will do the same.

[Istaru]

If they were to introduce a level boosting option, I think it most definitely should not be to get to max level or close max level. And it most certainly should not be introduced so early. We aren't even on our second expansion yet. WoW didn't even introduce theirs until after how many expansions? If anything, increase the amount of experience you get during low levels so people still get that low level experience, but leveling gets sped up significantly (but I don't suggest this for a long while yet).

If people are so concerned about it taking so long to do the story to get to other content, even though it pains me to say it.... Somehow make it so people can skip the story it it's not something they are interested in? I love the story so much, but my mother is one of those people who's not interested in the story and thinks it's an annoyance... So I totally understand where people are coming from.

I think I would be ok if they did it in a way that allows you to skip all the fetch and fluff quests and it would give you a buff to your XP rate until like level 50 or maybe even 60. Less appealing, would be skip MSQ altogether. Least appealing would be *DING*, you are now level 70 and have credit for 100% MSQ completion.

I was thinking about the presentation that Yoshi-P did about the downfall of 1.0. On one of the slides, #1 was "Never forget the fans." Which leads to a question, are the fans the group of people who have purchased your product for many years, or are they the people who consider purchasing your product and decide that since there is effort involved, they would rather pass. To me, the answer is simple, the fans are those of us that played 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, single player console Final Fantasy games or whatever. Someone playing WoW or Tera or whatever today and would consider your product if you made it easy for them are NOT your fans.

[bass9020]

I was thinking about the presentation that Yoshi-P did about the downfall of 1.0. On one of the slides, #1 was "Never forget the fans." Which leads to a question, are the fans the group of people who have purchased your product for many years, or are they the people who consider purchasing your product and decide that since there is effort involved, they would rather pass. To me, the answer is simple, the fans are those of us that played 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, single player console Final Fantasy games or whatever. Someone playing WoW or Tera or whatever today and would consider your product if you made it easy for them are NOT your fans.

In the interview he said he talked to people familiar with WoW so clearly his fans aren't the loyal players of XI, 1.0-3.0. At least not when it comes to groundbreaking potential features.

[Kosmos992k]

In the interview he said he talked to people familiar with WoW so clearly his fans aren't the loyal players of XI, 1.0-3.0. At least not when it comes to GAMEbreaking potential features.

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Fixed it for ya!

[bass9020]

^^^^^^^^^
Fixed it for ya!

Oh right thanks Kosmos!

[Nestama]

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When they mention fans, I feel it's the fans of FFXIV in general. Without us, the people playing this game and recommending it to friends (or players curious about it), FFXIV wouldn't be.
They also put "Fun Comes First: If it's not fun, you're doing it wrong." Some/most classes are just not fun at low levels and a lot of the quests in the 2.0 storyline are filler (just there for exp, rather than the plot).