Race Differences

[Nayt]

If you can counter the racial difference with one level 15 piece of gear, while mathematically there is a difference, realistically there isn't.

All of the races progress at the same rate after creation, so that 3 str difference is going to remain a 3 str difference at 50 when you can get +20 str from one materia.

And that's just as well, because racial differences is a nuisance

[Ryans]

then isn't it better to not touch the stat at all for both DoW, DoM, DoH and DoL. There is no reason to fix the DoW and DoM and then balanced out the DoH and DoL, after go around and around you re back to where you start.

FYI: stat in craft doesn't do much but increase quality to the craft item, mean it only effect HQ of craft item. I think you should play the game more before make a suggest like this.

this ll be my last reply to this thread:

imo the stat is fine as it is, ppl can be all and can custom their char with materia and this the current stat system prevent the nightmare from the last mmorpg of those year where ppl have to be picky about race because of their class.

ninja edit: and prevent ppl to be lock out as well, atm we are being lock out enough already, dont need more

I'm confused at to what your point is, particularly where you say that balancing stats for DoW and DoM will force them to rebalance DoH and DoL stats. I'm really confused how we would be "back to where (we) start" after the initial changes I'm suggesting. It would be a very simple fix, mathematically speaking not programming wise as I have little knowledge of the coding necessary, to counter the racial stat difference for crafting classes by negating the racial difference when you switch to a DoH.

Are you saying that DoW and DoM classes should not have variation in stats between races because it will affect DoH and DoL chances for HQ? If you are, I don't see how my previous post is not a fix to the problem. Your race will affect your DoW and DoM classes but not your DoH/DoL.

[Majidah]

I really pushed for racial differences during alpha but everyone was against it for some reason.
Race being purely aesthetic is pretty dumb if you ask me.

Eventually the race difference is bridged by race specific equipment, so I don't want to hear the galka mages won't get invites argument.

[Atoli]

I'm curious if you read all the posts...At no point did I suggest that one race will outshine every other race in a certain class[...].

[...]something like 5-10% taken out from one or two stats and added to another. The lore of game suggests that certain races are better at certain things, but in practice it is the opposite.

5-10% is a lot. It's by far enough to let one race outshine another one.
Actually, everything except for the 3 STR you quoted is enough to force people to play a race they don't like just to be good in a certain class..which is, btw, not even making any sense at all, because we are supposed to rank up ALL classes.

Oh, and yes, I DID read all the posts in this thread.

A Roedagyn CNJ should not have the exact same base stats as a Lalafell CNJ.

So a person HAS to be stupid and unable to listen to the voices in all the things just because he is born with a big, strong body? Wow, way to go for ingame racism..

In FFXI, a decent portion of the population believed that you shouldn't invite a galka who is a caster because they couldn't compare to basically any other race in that matter. The fact is that it isn't true. A galka wouldn't be able to gear themselves using the traditional method and had to think outside of the conventional to compete with a taru of the same skill and level.

And basically, the people were right most of the time, because with such a huge difference as implied, it's impossible to be better then a Taru.
Maybe better than a Taru who used crappy gear and never tried to play his class with any effort, but you have to compare people with the same mindset, and that would be someone caring for the Conjurer job:
A Galka could never be as good as a Tarutaru CNJ, simply because he was "born" a Galka.
No "thinking out of the ordinary" will change that.

And to say something about your opinion about a free-to-choose-game like FFXIV needing such differences even MORE:
No, it doesn't.
Because even if you give any Rogaedyn crappy magic and every Miqo'te lots of Dex, it still won't distinguish peope from one another, simply for the fact that at least 1/4 of the players in the entire GAME have this race, and because of that, the same base stats.
In reality, it's even up to about 40% of the players with Miqo'te for example.

The only thing which will really make people individual is their OWN stat build.
It's the only thing every individual can decide on his- or herself.
And we are getting that back with future patches, so..

Still, NO for race differences.

[Catapult]

I'm going to keep this rather simple.

The point of the armory system in XIV is to allow everyone to be able to do everything with maximum accessibility.

Creating statistical differences between races instigates a confinement on that choice based on your choice of race & tribe.

Which is the opposite of what is trying to be achieved.

Ergo, no. Keep it aesthetic!

[Ryans]

5-10% is a lot. It's by far enough to let one race outshine another one.
Actually, everything except for the 3 STR you quoted is enough to force people to play a race they don't like just to be good in a certain class..which is, btw, not even making any sense at all, because we are supposed to rank up ALL classes.

Oh, and yes, I DID read all the posts in this thread.


So a person HAS to be stupid and unable to listen to the voices in all the things just because he is born with a big, strong body? Wow, way to go for ingame racism..



And basically, the people were right most of the time, because with such a huge difference as implied, it's impossible to be better then a Taru.
Maybe better than a Taru who used crappy gear and never tried to play his class with any effort, but you have to compare people with the same mindset, and that would be someone caring for the Conjurer job:
A Galka could never be as good as a Tarutaru CNJ, simply because he was "born" a Galka.
No "thinking out of the ordinary" will change that.

And to say something about your opinion about a free-to-choose-game like FFXIV needing such differences even MORE:
No, it doesn't.
Because even if you give any Rogaedyn crappy magic and every Miqo'te lots of Dex, it still won't distinguish peope from one another, simply for the fact that at least 1/4 of the players in the entire GAME have this race, and because of that, the same base stats.
In reality, it's even up to about 40% of the players with Miqo'te for example.

The only thing which will really make people individual is their OWN stat build.
It's the only thing every individual can decide on his- or herself.
And we are getting that back with future patches, so..

Still, NO for race differences.

And again, you take your argument to the extreme to try to prove your point. Have you looked the stats in the game? At 50, you average between 150-200 of a given base stat. 5-10% of that is between 7-20 points. That is... you guessed it... one tier IV materia. If you think that difference is enough to ruin a class for any race, you are just plain wrong.

And yes, there should be racism in a game that has more than one bloody race. Its not the same kind of racism that exists in our world because we are all one race.

I do agree that the individual stat builds will be a great improvement but it will still lead to people having the same basic stat layout. There is going to be someone, some where, that figures out exactly how much piety, int, and mnd is best for a fight. That doesn't create a difference in characters, it just creates an extra step to get to clones of each other, just in different bodies.

[AdvancedWind]

I think it's a good idea to have race differences for stuff like puzzles, NPC reactions, small changes on food effects, these kind of things. I'd even go as far and suggest some lore heavy quest chains exclusive to races, or some shops charging you slightly less / more depending on your race.

But for stats? Thanks, but no. There are other far more creative ways to make races different without pseudo forcing races into classes. The current stat difference is fine.

[Falcus]

I disagree, I don't want this here.

[AdvancedWind]

And again, you take your argument to the extreme to try to prove your point. Have you looked the stats in the game? At 50, you average between 150-200 of a given base stat. 5-10% of that is between 7-20 points. That is... you guessed it... one tier IV materia. If you think that difference is enough to ruin a class for any race, you are just plain wrong..

A difference of one tier IV materia is already significant. It's literally an extra free materia slot. Also, this dfference would only increase with higher level cap.

Explain to me why do you believe this community that is already throwing 5-6X (insert class of the day) against (insert content of the day) will not also "prioritize" the (race of the day) that has extra free 20-40 (insert important stat for the class of the day) against level 75 content?

Heck, I can see people abusing race changes if they become available as a service just to deal with the current top tier content.

(PARTY) (BAHAMUT) (LEVEL) 75 (BLACK MAGE) (LALAFEL) NEED 6 (MORE)

[Babydoll]

I think it's fine as is. I wouldn't really want to be forced to pick a different race because of stats. If anything they can add differences in lore, appearance, rse etc.