a little clarification on tempering

[Alberel]

I think we can remove Shiva, Moogle Mog and Thordan definitively from that list, Enkindu possibly as well as they're not primals. Shiva is an echo of Ysale's imagery of her given form and Thordan is a natural ability augmented with a massive power boost. Moogle Mog and Enkindu are spirits called forth akin to a primal but are not primals themselves. As far as I know being summoned does not automatically give a being the capability to enthrall.

Sorry but this is largely incorrect. Shiva is as much a primal as any of the other six elemental primals. Unukalhai even directly refers to her as one. Thordan is a primal summoned from the legends of King Thordan using the same technique as Ysayle used for Shiva; it is not a natural ability in any way. It's also heavily implied his knights are all tempered in some form.

It's very explicitly stated that the moogles that summoned Moggle Mog were tempered. Kuplo Kopp explains how they all became bloodthirsty immediately following the summoning and the Scions come to the conclusion that they are tempered. By your reasoning Bahamut also would not be a primal since he is a shade of his former mortal self, and yet he very obviously tempered Louisoix and Nael.

Everything we've seen summoned is definitely a primal, and as far we know they all have the ability to temper, some just choose not to. It's the definition of 'primal' that is largely in question, not which summoned creatures are primals or not.

[PArcher]

I think we can remove Shiva, Moogle Mog and Thordan definitively from that list, Enkindu possibly as well as they're not primals.

Sorry but this is largely incorrect.

It is, also, this: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/blog/001318.html

Question: As of Patch 3.15, how many primals can you fight in total?
A: 13
B: 14
C: 15
D: 27


And the answer is...
C: 15! Did you answer it correctly?

Let's count them up:
1. Ifrit
2. Titan
3. Garuda
4. Good King Moggle Mog XII
5. Leviathan
6. Ramuh
7. Shiva
8. Phoenix
9. Bahamut
10. Odin
11. Ravana
12. Bismarck
13. Enkidu
14. Thordan
15. Alexander

Though there are 13 enemies to face off against in The Singularity Reactor, only Thordan is a primal while his 12 knights are simply "blessed" by him.

We can also add the Warring Triad to the list now, for 18 currently.