a little clarification on tempering

[PArcher]

To go into the specific names, from what I remember:

Ifrit - Tempered (also blanket name for the condition)
Ramuh - Touched (So far, only Sylphs have been tempered by him)
Leviathan - Drowned (I think only the Spoken races have been tempered; the Sahagan quests imply they are not tempered at all)

Garuda - Unknown (even though the Ixal are tempered, and she tries to temper the WoL, I can't remember it ever being named)
Shiva - Unknown (don't know if she even Tempered anyone)
Good King Moggle Mog XII - Unknown
Thordan - Unknown (possibly Blessed, like Dualblade said)
Bahamut - Unknown (think they just use "tempered" or "enthralled" in Coil)
Alexander - Unknown (even though it hasn't been outright stated, its highly likely the Iluminati are tempered)


As for Titan, Ravana and Bismark...their followers don't seem to be tempered, and we don't have any instances of them tempering anyone (in 2.0 for Titan; yes, it was mentioned somewhere that the Company of Heroes had to fight their companions after being tempered, but I don't think anything specific was mentioned about it)

Phoenix and Enkidu weren't really able to Temper anyone (headcannon: Gilgamesh has the Echo when in Eorzea), so...

And Odin is Odin.

EDIT: Forgot the Triad. All Unknown lol

[Lordlundar]

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I think we can remove Shiva, Moogle Mog and Thordan definitively from that list, Enkindu possibly as well as they're not primals. Shiva is an echo of Ysale's imagery of her given form and Thordan is a natural ability augmented with a massive power boost. Moogle Mog and Enkindu are spirits called forth akin to a primal but are not primals themselves. As far as I know being summoned does not automatically give a being the capability to enthrall.

[Alberel]

I think we can remove Shiva, Moogle Mog and Thordan definitively from that list, Enkindu possibly as well as they're not primals. Shiva is an echo of Ysale's imagery of her given form and Thordan is a natural ability augmented with a massive power boost. Moogle Mog and Enkindu are spirits called forth akin to a primal but are not primals themselves. As far as I know being summoned does not automatically give a being the capability to enthrall.

Sorry but this is largely incorrect. Shiva is as much a primal as any of the other six elemental primals. Unukalhai even directly refers to her as one. Thordan is a primal summoned from the legends of King Thordan using the same technique as Ysayle used for Shiva; it is not a natural ability in any way. It's also heavily implied his knights are all tempered in some form.

It's very explicitly stated that the moogles that summoned Moggle Mog were tempered. Kuplo Kopp explains how they all became bloodthirsty immediately following the summoning and the Scions come to the conclusion that they are tempered. By your reasoning Bahamut also would not be a primal since he is a shade of his former mortal self, and yet he very obviously tempered Louisoix and Nael.

Everything we've seen summoned is definitely a primal, and as far we know they all have the ability to temper, some just choose not to. It's the definition of 'primal' that is largely in question, not which summoned creatures are primals or not.

[PArcher]

I think we can remove Shiva, Moogle Mog and Thordan definitively from that list, Enkindu possibly as well as they're not primals.

Sorry but this is largely incorrect.

It is, also, this: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/blog/001318.html

Question: As of Patch 3.15, how many primals can you fight in total?
A: 13
B: 14
C: 15
D: 27


And the answer is...
C: 15! Did you answer it correctly?

Let's count them up:
1. Ifrit
2. Titan
3. Garuda
4. Good King Moggle Mog XII
5. Leviathan
6. Ramuh
7. Shiva
8. Phoenix
9. Bahamut
10. Odin
11. Ravana
12. Bismarck
13. Enkidu
14. Thordan
15. Alexander

Though there are 13 enemies to face off against in The Singularity Reactor, only Thordan is a primal while his 12 knights are simply "blessed" by him.

We can also add the Warring Triad to the list now, for 18 currently.

[Khalithar]

And Odin is Odin.

Actually there is a name to it. I forget what it is though, but the mortal ensnared by Zantetsuken is given a name in the quest text, I can't check since I'm not home, but if I remember the cutscene correctly Odin's tempered human is called "Severed" or something like that. Bah! I wish I could remember it.

[Morningstar1337]

Actually there is a name to it. I forget what it is though, but the mortal ensnared by Zantetsuken is given a name in the quest text, I can't check since I'm not home, but if I remember the cutscene correctly Odin's tempered human is called "Severed" or something like that. Bah! I wish I could remember it.

I thought it was "Sundered"

[Khalithar]

I thought it was "Sundered"

Yeah I'm pretty sure you're right, like I said in my post I couldn't remember off the top of my head. The mortals influenced by Odin are called "Sundered," I knew it was something with an "s" but I couldn't remember it specifically.

[Eloah]

I think the developers have stated that there are official terms for each primals "tempering" but its nice to speculate the ones we don't officially know yet. Maybe if we ask enough times we will get a list. But it's nice to speculate in the meantime.

Known
Ifrit: Tempered
Leviathan: Drowned
Ramuh: Touched
Odin: Sundered


Guesses
Titan: Grounded (Earth)
Garuda: Swayed/Whisked (Wind)
Mog: Tricked (jokez)
Shiva: Frozen (Ice, there was one Frozen reference why not 2, lol)
Bahamut: Choraled/Choired (Dragonsong)
Phoenix: Roused (Life/Fire)
Bismarck: Smothered (or mist-ified, lol, yes?, no?, okay ) (Mist)
Ravana: Infested/Infected (Insects)
Thordan: Reigned (King)
Alexander: Enlightened/Systemized (Holy/machine)
Enkidu: Clucked (Obcious joke, lol)

[AutumnHarvestwind]

Personally I think Phoenix would have 'reborn' has their tempered !