Legendary weapons too artificial?

[ellohwell]

So Yoshida said in a recent interview that the dev team will be implementing classical FF weapons (for example, Excalibur) and in order to have one, you will have to apply. And the application process will involve you having your old weapon reskinned with the model of a legendary weapon.

Doesnt that seem a bit too artificial and contrived?

I dont mean to make this thread into an immersion debate, but it's kind of ironic that the reason they are implementing these weapons is to instill a sense of FF-ness (in other words they are trying to aid in the immersiveness of the FF game) but at the same time it detracts from the sensibility of the world because the concept doesnt even begin to make any kind of sense.

Dont you think?

Call me old fashioned but I think they should just stick to letting us craft stuff and slot materia into it.

The way SE intend to add this apply-for-weapon feature just seems like they're making these so-called legendary weapons into an official .dat mod. Sounds a bit lame to me.

I see where they are coming from with this feature (they want to keep these good weapons from becoming outdated), but still. . .

[Baxter]

The way I understood it they had specific requirements to be considered an Excalibur in his explanation. Like you couldnt just up and turn a spatha into an excalibur. He said it cannot be just any sword, but a higher tier sword with an extensive stat requirement. I think the system sounds very interesting, and if the requirements are higher it will always keep it in the hands of very few which will add to the rarity of the item.

[Nayt]

I like yoshi's idea.

[ellohwell]

The way I understood it they had specific requirements to be considered an Excalibur in his explanation. Like you couldnt just up and turn a spatha into an excalibur. He said it cannot be just any sword, but a higher tier sword with an extensive stat requirement. I think the system sounds very interesting, and if the requirements are higher it will always keep it in the hands of very few which will add to the rarity of the item.

Yes, I understand the concept insofar as that. But I guess my point is that reskinning items, either officially or unofficially, is somewhat unnatural.

Essentially this is just reskinning your sword with the Excalibur model.

Gosh, I can do that myself by manipulating .dat files lol.

[Keftenk]

I like Yoshi's idea too, but I still would like some skill level involved. The way I understood it, just seemed like it would be absolute complete luck + gil sink. Which is fine, because XI's had a huge gil sink, but you still had to kill shit for it as well.

[Physic]

So Yoshida said they will be implementing classical FF weapons (for example, Excalibur) and in order to have one, you will have to apply. And the application process will involve you having your old weapon reskinned with the model of a legendary weapon.

Doesnt that seem a bit too artificial and contrived?

I dont mean to make this thread into an immersion debate, but it's kind of ironic that the reason they are implementing these weapons is to instill a sense of FF-ness (in other words they are trying to aid in the immersiveness of the FF game) but at the same time it detracts from the sensibility of the world because the concept doesnt even begin to make any kind of sense.

Dont you think?

Call me old fashioned but I think they should just stick to letting us craft stuff and slot materia into it.

The way SE intend to add this apply-for-weapon feature just seems like they're making these so-called legendary weapons into an official .dat mod. Sounds a bit lame to me.

I see where they are coming from with this feature (they want to keep these good weapons from becoming outdated), but still. . .

I think you are looking at it too literally, i dont think he means apply like oh i apply for an exacilbur, but more like Excalibur is a legendary skin applicable to the best weapon out right now.

I see it like...

Get the best endgame weapon with X materia.
your sword begins to speak you/glow wahtever, seek the great spirit of jimmy he holds the power of excalibur. You go speak to spirit of jimmy, defeat something or do some event/quest, and now you sword gains the aspect of the spirit sword exaclibure, base stats are boosted and it gets some additional effect, but its still your materiad sword other than that.

1 year later when some new crazy stuff is released, the spirit fades from your sword, and the spirit of excalibur only resides in the new whatever, with some new event linked to bonding it to your weapon.


That is the way i understood what he was saying anyhow.

the biggest issue is people will be mad because they never truely own excalibur. but ehh, this was an idea for the legendary items of teh FF franchise like the genji glove or atma weapon, it makes sense that you can only have it when you reach the pinnacle, and continually have to reach the pinnacle to have access to it.

[Baxter]

Yes, I understand the concept insofar as that. But I guess my point is that reskinning items, either officially or unofficially, is somewhat unnatural.

Essentially this is just reskinning your sword with the Excalibur model.

Gosh, I can do that myself by manipulating .dat files lol.

While true, you could just manipulate your dats, it will also be a powerful weapon gameside, and you cannot replicate that. So all in all it is an actual item. It's basically akin to if you had to register and upgrade your relic/mythic for it to continue being a relic. Im speculating but i'm sure it will gain special stats or abilities with the title.

[ellohwell]

I think you are looking at it too literally, i dont think he means apply like oh i apply for an exacilbur, but more like Excalibur is a legendary skin applicable to the best weapon out right now.

I see it like...

Get the best endgame weapon with X materia.
your sword begins to speak you/glow wahtever, seek the great spirit of jimmy he holds the power of excalibur. You go speak to spirit of jimmy, defeat something or do some event/quest, and now you sword gains the aspect of the spirit sword exaclibure, base stats are boosted and it gets some additional effect, but its still your materiad sword other than that.

1 year later when some new crazy stuff is released, the spirit fades from your sword, and the spirit of excalibur only resides in the new whatever, with some new event linked to bonding it to your weapon.


That is the way i understood what he was saying anyhow.

Well when you put it like that, it does sound better. But from the fragments of information available, it could easily go both ways. Who is to say you dont just go up to a NPC and go: "Oh hi, here's my sword with XYZ stats, convert it into a legendary weapon kthanks."

Who is to say that isn't the case?

I guess they can always mask an unnatural and stupid idea with some convincing lore to make it seem less unnatural and much less stupid, but it still seems a bit too flimsy if you ask me.

[Physic]

Yes, I understand the concept insofar as that. But I guess my point is that reskinning items, either officially or unofficially, is somewhat unnatural.

Essentially this is just reskinning your sword with the Excalibur model.

Gosh, I can do that myself by manipulating .dat files lol.

well they could make it so it uses a similar skin, and whatever effects signify the unlocking of its potential. but really i have no problem with a magical ultimate weapon changing the form of a regular weapon.

i would also assume it has some sort of special ability/stats tied to it that define it as that type of weapon.

[Royal]

Where is the source of this information? I would like to read it. I think I missed that interview.