Wanting to trade up

[Pandora2387]

We have a small FC house on Cerebrus, and although I'm not sure whether posting this on here is the right thing to do or not but figured I would give it a try.

We are wanting to buy a medium plot as well as sell or small plot in the goblet, and it seems like every time housing becomes available we never manage to catch empty plots due to high levels of players logging in and snapping everything up. As I know that trying to sell housing that you currently own is against ToS, I'm actually wondering whether more time should be given on allowing players to purchase a house, or whether certain size houses should be reserved for FC use only. I can't see the point in one person having a mansion or a large house when an FC could make a lot more use of a house that size. Many of you may disagree with that point but that's just how I feel.

[ChameleonMS]

Selling your house is and isn't against the ToS. If you sell your house for a price near your purchase value, then GMs will leave you alone. If you attempt to sell your house at a significantly inflated price and get reported the GMs will punish you. See this thread for the details.

Your biggest challenge is going to be finding a seller for the new Medium plot than finding a willing buyer for your small plot.
The cleaner purchase method is actually Buy / Sell the entire FC. That way there is no demolition and land re-purchase cost.

[Pandora2387]

I did consider the cleaner method, but we don't want to sell the FC as a whole, just the house that comes with it because we actually want to keep our members, and unless it's something the whole FC can agree on, I don't really agree with selling an FC from under the members that are in it. You're right about finding a seller for the new medium plot though, everything we've tried so far has been a waste of time and with no success, but we're still hopeful, unless we get lucky and the Ishgard housing comes in soon lol

[Snugglebutt]

Selling your house is and isn't against the ToS. If you sell your house for a price near your purchase value, then GMs will leave you alone. If you attempt to sell your house at a significantly inflated price and get reported the GMs will punish you. See this thread for the details.

People have been banned for selling theirs for far less than the plot value (less than half it's plot value in some cases) and still been banned. You shouldn't tell people the GM's wont do anything if merely sell for a low price since they have banned people for doing that too. Sometimes people get away with it because the GM's did not find out about it but the idea that they won't do anything just because not charging a lot of gil for it is false.

[ChameleonMS]

People have been banned for selling theirs for far less than the plot value (less than half it's plot value in some cases) and still been banned. You shouldn't tell people the GM's wont do anything if merely sell for a low price since they have banned people for doing that too. Sometimes people get away with it because the GM's did not find out about it but the idea that they won't do anything just because not charging a lot of gil for it is false.

I am just going by the literal translation from Yoshi's interview. Those bans you speak of for less than 1/2 plot value, could you cite a case that has been reported since that interview and directive seems to have been standardised? I have no problem being wrong but I want to be proven wrong.

If all plot sales are 100% illicit, a clear message should been stated a very long time ago and the language of the office Terms of Service should be updated to include it.
SE has continuously stated, we'll investigate and judge on a per reported case basis. That kind of response clearly means, there is a definite grey area they do find acceptable.

[Dustytome]

I believe this is what Snugglebutt was referring to. It seems to still be murky waters despite what was said by Yoshi. I guess it depends on if you're willing to risk penalty if a GM takes notice. Please note I'm not advocating the sale. In this case I'd simply throw the house to the wind and set up shop in the new house, especially since the small house will have to be demolished before a larger house can be purchased by the FC.

[ChameleonMS]

I thank you for the link. And, will advise accordingly in the future. Now, if SE could just put out a clear statement to match up with their GMs behaviour we'll all be better off.

[SendohJin]

they are planning a move feature so that you can upgrade, no date or details have been released about it though.