Difficulty spike?

[Knoahl]

The fight at least needs echo.

Please just, no, the fact a healer or tank can help terrible dps with such checks is enough, opinions like this have been the bane of the game since Alpha, the same happened with the level 15 story instance with the Ascian, people cried and ever since the Dev's listened the game had became so trivially easy, even though they could have over levelled to make it easier, just as you could gear higher/use food/meld/take potions.

Meld some vitality if you are dieing too easy, help tanks with your enmity manipulation and AoE/multi-DoT on adds phase to get through it. This is how the game should be, it's not hard at all. Healers shouldn't be able to do content with only their first heal just as much a dps their simple combo by this level.

Another hint is they buffed potions this patch, use them, it's not a lot but it will help loads.

[Seoulstar]

The fight at least needs echo, or to cut some slack on the dps check when adds spawn. I follow the mechanics, dodge aoes, number and focus down the adds. But in the last leg of the fight tanks die, healers die, summoners, bards, and black mages stand in aoes. I'm going to wager very few, if any of those who replied here are on adamantoise.

I really don't think the echo will help all that much if people can't even dodge.

[Seku]

The fight at least needs echo, or to cut some slack on the dps check when adds spawn. I follow the mechanics, dodge aoes, number and focus down the adds. But in the last leg of the fight tanks die, healers die, summoners, bards, and black mages stand in aoes. I'm going to wager very few, if any of those who replied here are on adamantoise.

This fight doesn't need echo. I already can tank the entire fight without my tank stance (after hate is established of course.) on DRK. Sounds like you just got pretty horrible players. - Though I do hope they don't make the mistake of adding this to trial roulette.

[LunaFaye]

The fight at least needs echo, or to cut some slack on the dps check when adds spawn. I follow the mechanics, dodge aoes, number and focus down the adds. But in the last leg of the fight tanks die, healers die, summoners, bards, and black mages stand in aoes. I'm going to wager very few, if any of those who replied here are on adamantoise.

I just can't! please rephrase to something like this :

"I've done everything correct but EVERYBODY else screwed up. please nerf or add echo because I can NOT solo the instance or/and have the patience to put some TEAM effort into it."

I could see how this trial is a bit challenging at ilvl 205 but not impossible by all means. If your healers are struggling have the smn raise dead people for example. Place way markers, newer players or blind/tunnel vision players will at least see in what direction they should be running. Mark targets, you would be surprised how many people actually do not know what add to attack first. There's plenty of ways to help others and actually get through this battle just fine as a TEAM or there is PF, maybe you give that a go since DF is clearly not made for you. But I don't think that we need another "lets add 50% echo to everything" campaign, it did ruin the ARR content and even some of the newer HW content.

[NanaWiloh]

I cleared Nidhogg on patch night. The fight is healing and dps check but its not impossible to pull off with i205 gear. Clearing it means everyone needs to respond to mechanics correctly and play their class to the best of their ability.
I am no Elitist or super human player, I do normal mode raiding. I have never set foot in savage mode and rarely touched the extreme modes, yet I cleared Nidhogg with a random group of people. As LunaFaye said if people start failing step in and say something point things out to people.

[Veriden]

A.) Obviously didn't read one of my earlier posts saying I wasn't calling for a nerf.
B.) I'm not saying 50% echo, as I've never seen it go that high. The highest I've seen echo is 20%...even though 10% would be the most I'd ever ask for.
Or
C.) A few more seconds on the dps check on the mobs would cut out a lot of the issue I have with the trial. I don't mean a minute by a few seconds. I mean like 3-8 extra seconds. As I've lost count of the number of times parties I've been in have failed by 1-3 seconds.

The arr content was fine imo with the exception of the things I've not run. (which is pretty much narrowed down to extremes, odin, and bahumat while sync'd.) The majority of players aren't hardcore gamers, those special people who are, are the minority. However, I'm done with the elites of the forums presuming things, and done with this thread. Maybe I'll get my clear when the game is back up, maybe I'll try another dozen times then call it a night.

[Veriden]

One thing is for sure. Getting my weeping city clear before my msq clear is a bit messed up...but I enjoy my first piece of 240 gear. If all else fails, I'll wait till next update and just work on updating my gear with weekly weeping city pennies, and the hamster wheel for anima and try the trial then.

[kensatsu]

i guess nobody get you, it's a easy fight.
having issue with some group don't mean you need echo.
just enter 1 or 2 more times in the instance and get your clear and you won't need to argue with us elites badder from the forum. you know the majority of the players like you said don't read the forum.
and a nerf will not happen now but in 3 months

[Sida]

Also, one thing some players might even be unaware even after few tries or even a completion. On the latter part of the fight there is a mechanic we have this far learned to be one hit only in previous content. This time however it actually need people to stay put for longer time. People keep suiciding the group by running out of it after the first hit and then it's healer's fault when people die. Had a run yesterday where everyone actually stayed put long enough and it hardly made a dent to whole team.that of course meant that the healers had to be on top of their game to heal through it but the amount of damage was more than manageable.

[LunaFaye]

same issue will occur then, till the day you learn that it isn't all about you or your gear etc. It's a team effort, as mentioned above try the party finder if you get frustrated via duty finder. Some people do not have the patience or time and I don't mean that in an offending way, therefore they are much happier to just get their clears via party finder.

However it has nothing to do with being elitist or hardcore especially if the new trial falls in neither of these categories, but a specific mindset when trying to clear new or more challenging content. Adding/requesting to add echo for your own personal satisfaction is not the way to go or how it should be. Sorry.