Vanity Cash Shop

[TheVedis]

let me just point out the following

no cash shop =

no server transfers
no character name changes
no race changes


those are cash shop items for those who dont realize this

just because people dont like the idea of the abilityt o buy things with cash, doesnt mean it shouldnt happen in some form or another

EVERY MMO hs a cash shop in some form or another, the secret to it is not to not have one, but to do it correctly

cosmetic/vanity items that have 0 effect on gameplay whatsoever are ok for p2p games

just because you dont want to have to spend money on something(especialy something that has no effect on the game itself) does not mean it should not exist

and the people who whine about this probly hate the pre order bonus which cost extra to get too(ive seen several games where people go out of there way to buy 5-6 versionbs of the game from different sources to get every pre order bonus, and then others turn around and complain its not fair)

[Razzle]

just because you dont want to have to spend money on something(especialy something that has no effect on the game itself) does not mean it should not exist

It doesn't have effect on the game itslef for YOU. I enjoy it, it does effect my game a lot if I have to spend much more than a monthly fee in order to enjoy the game.

And it's not that I don't want to "spend money on something", because I pay to play I already spend money on something in the first place.

I don't want to spend extra money in order to enjoy the game.

[TheVedis]

It doesn't have effect on the game itslef for YOU. I enjoy it, it does effect my game a lot if I have to spend much more than a monthly fee in order to enjoy the game.

And it's not that I don't want to "spend money on something", because I pay to play I already spend money on something in the first place.

I don't want to spend extra money in order to enjoy the game.

if you were enjoying a game before they did it
and all of a sudden you cant enjoy it cuz you cant have something

that sounds like a personal issue rather then something to do with the game itself

Roleplayers are the whiniest lot when it comes to this type of stuff, since it doesnt affect the actual gameplay AT ALL, people who only care about gameplay aspects themselves wont care

but anyone who falls into the camp of "if i cant have it no one should" usualy seems to be the ones who complain the most about it when its a non gameplay item
and i hate to say it, you sound like one of those types

"omg he has a pet, that does obsolutely nothing, but its cute and i want it but i refuse to pay 3 dollars to get it, therefore no one should be allowed to buy it and it should br given to everyone free"

[Razzle]

if you were enjoying a game before they did it
and all of a sudden you cant enjoy it cuz you cant have something

that sounds like a personal issue rather then something to do with the game itself

Roleplayers are the whiniest lot when it comes to this type of stuff, since it doesnt affect the actual gameplay AT ALL, people who only care about gameplay aspects themselves wont care

but anyone who falls into the camp of "if i cant have it no one should" usualy seems to be the ones who complain the most about it when its a non gameplay item
and i hate to say it, you sound like one of those types

"omg he has a pet, that does obsolutely nothing, but its cute and i want it but i refuse to pay 3 dollars to get it, therefore no one should be allowed to buy it and it should br given to everyone free"

That's not what I'm saying (and I don't roleplay at all so no idea what you mean)

And I never said we should have it free.

They could make actual content to get a cute pet in the game than a cash shop.

How does it not affect gameplay? By that logic, anything graphical in game is meaningless and should be cash shoped.

[TheVedis]

That's not what I'm saying (and I don't roleplay at all so no idea what you mean)

And I never said we should have it free.

They could make actual content to get a cute pet in the game than a cash shop.

How does it not affect gameplay? By that logic, anything graphical in game is meaningless and should be cash shoped.

they should have content that rewards this stuff too
but that doesnt mean its not ok to make cash shops for stuff also

if your against it, thats fine, i understand what it means to be against this type of thing, all that means is that you do not have to get it
but to say you can no longer have fun because you cant have something is just plain rediculous, thats the way 5 year olds view things

[Aenarion]

let me just point out the following

no cash shop =

no server transfers
no character name changes
no race changes


those are cash shop items for those who dont realize this

just because people dont like the idea of the abilityt o buy things with cash, doesnt mean it shouldnt happen in some form or another

EVERY MMO hs a cash shop in some form or another, the secret to it is not to not have one, but to do it correctly

cosmetic/vanity items that have 0 effect on gameplay whatsoever are ok for p2p games

just because you dont want to have to spend money on something(especialy something that has no effect on the game itself) does not mean it should not exist

and the people who whine about this probly hate the pre order bonus which cost extra to get too(ive seen several games where people go out of there way to buy 5-6 versionbs of the game from different sources to get every pre order bonus, and then others turn around and complain its not fair)

server transfer - it's a service that can be provided for a fee regardless whether there's a cash shop or not, the two are not inherently tied together.

character name changes - shouldn't be allowed anyway

race changes - don't care

also, really, EVERY mmo has a cash shop eh? not sure if serious, lol.


personally I don't believe a subscription-based games should double-dip with a cash shop, as it can diminish the perceived value of the subscription and push the game devs. towards a rather unfavorable development focus.

ultimately it boils down to how the company wants to monetize their service

[Baxter]

I didn't say I can no longer have fun. I said that in order to have fun just like you (who care for gear) do, I'd have to pay MUCH more than you. And that is not fair how I see it.

I guess I am five years old now.

haha but we aren't talking about gear we are talking about aesthetics like scars, and hairstyles. What does that have to do with gear? I do not think anyone has mentioned gear at all in the equation. I specifically said nothing game breaking, and purely cosmetic. Who honestly gives a damn about town gear no matter how baddass it is if it's useless? Basically Vanafest was one big cashshop promotion. View it as you like, but you'd get items that no one else could obtain in game if you attended. How do you do that? Vanafest certainly wasn't free. You paid money (also attend, and enjoy a festival of a game you loved) to get the in game goodies.

server transfer - it's a service that can be provided for a fee regardless whether there's a cash shop or not, the two are not inherently tied together.

Server transfers are cash shop products. Call it a cash shop, call it a monetary convenience amenity that is not a necessity to your in game gaming experience. Whatever you call it you're paying real life cash for an effect in game.

ultimately it boils down to how the company wants to monetize their service

If they offered it it's not a requirement to purchase anything from it. No one will hold a gun to anyone's head and force them to buy it. The cashflow will speak for itself. If it fails it fails, but I somehow doubt it. People were eating up that cheap overpriced jewelry they were selling to get a goddamn once a day warp pendant, with coat display, in game.


I understand those who are against it and that's fine, but would those who are really be that angry to let a vanity shop hinder your gaming experience if one existed? Abortion, and gay marriage. Choices are nice even if they don't suit you.

[Aenarion]

haha but we aren't talking about gear we are talking about aesthetics like scars, and hairstyles.

and why do those things have to cost extra money outside of the subscription cost? Nothing, and that's why people(at least I anyway) are against it. The whole premise of the subscription model is one that's traditionally based upon providing you access to the game for a monthly cost, not only parts of it. Cash shops in a P2P game is nothing but a pure money grab. You may or may not like it, you may be for or against it, but at least call it what it is.

Server transfers are cash shop products. Call it a cash shop, call it a monetary convenience amenity that is not a necessity to your in game gaming experience. Whatever you call it you're paying real life cash for an effect in game.

by extension of your logic then subscriptions would also be cash shop items, after all it lets you access the game! Fact is, service such as server transfers predates the cash shops.

If they offered it it's not a requirement to purchase anything from it. No one will hold a gun to anyone's head and force them to buy it. The cashflow will speak for itself. If it fails it fails, but I somehow doubt it. People were eating up that cheap overpriced jewelry they were selling to get a goddamn once a day warp pendant, with coat display, in game.


I understand those who are against it and that's fine, but would those who are really be that angry to let a vanity shop hinder your gaming experience if one existed? Abortion, and gay marriage. Choices are nice even if they don't suit you.

Yes, there are a lot of idiots in the worlds with more money than they should have, news at 11.

For me it's not so much that a vanity shop would hinder my gaming experience (though it depends on the crowd, let's just say CCP learned a lesson or two after the backlash from their vanity shop roll-out in Eve Online). But rather that all too often it becomes the starting point of a slippery slope down the cash-shop drain that results in a trainwreck.

[Baxter]

Yes, there are a lot of idiots in the worlds with more money than they should have, news at 11.

Do you typically insult people who choose to spend their hard earned money the way they see fit?

[Baxter]

use the search function tbh, this has been done too many times recently already without you digging the dead horse back again for another round of beating.




way to pull that ad hominem out of your ass too, I'm obviously close-minded because I think it's idiotic for people to spend $200 on a virtual mount or $80 for a virtual monocle right? Oh how blind I was, how dared I have a non-super politically correct opinion! also kids, apparently having an opinion about someone's online purchase also equals you judging their entire person! it's true 'cause Baxter said so!

also, your whatever floats your boat sentiment is one I agree with, but one thing you seem to failed to realize in the context of the cash shop scenario is that many DO see it as a direct harm to them, for one reason or another.

What exactly did I pull out of my ass? Why are you getting so angry? I am just repeating back to you what you said. Yes it's closed minded to judge someone's character or intelligence based off of what they buy. What is worth it to me very well may not be worth it to others. I spend extra for organic most people think it's a waste. Does this make me stupid? I love how you dart for the extreme. I certainly wouldn't pay 200 bucks for a virtual mount, or 80 dollars for a monocle. Are you serious?

As for judging people based on what they buy, I'll just leave this right here for you.

Yes, there are a lot of idiots in the worlds with more money than they should have, news at 11.

can you imagine that conversation?
Person1: You're an idiot based on what you would spend your money on.
Person2: .......
Person1: Not the entire you.