Thread: [SPOILERS] Revelations from Patch 3.3

Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Everyone complaining about the eyes forgets one thing.

Nidhogg's influence are still in the eyes and Krille warns Alphinaud that he could become the dragon's next host if he tore the eyes off the armor. If him and the WOL held onto the eyes any longer, it would end badly. Short of eating the eyes, I don't think any of them would know on how to destroy an object that has such power and Aymeric was rightfully worried about the two of them holding onto something so dangerous and there was probably little time to think on what they could do.

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I understand the reasoning behind what happened, but it was rather shortsighted of the heroes to not even begin to contemplate what to do had they succeeded. It was a decision made in panic, but that still doesn't make it any less exasperating.

Originally Posted by Theodric

Something I want to see:

Now that we've opened the can of worms that is 'Ysayle and Haurchefant return briefly to help Estinien' I want to see something similar play out between two antagonists. The relative or lover of a Garlean commander intervening to prevent the Scions and Warrior of Light from killing their loved one would be pretty neat to see and it'd also have the benefit of highlighting that, yes, Garleans have families and loved ones to and war isn't pretty. Of course it doesn't have to be Garleans - it could be some other form of antagonist.

Eh.

If it really was our allies reaching from beyond the grave making the difference and not simply our memories of them and their sacrifice I would be very disappointed. I wouldn't be surprised if such a thing happened, but I would heave quite the disdainful sigh. I mean, they did pull this sort of thing with A-Towa-Cant already.... ugh...

Originally Posted by Rocl

If it really was our allies reaching from beyond the grave making the difference and not simply our memories of them and their sacrifice I would be very disappointed. I wouldn't be surprised if such a thing happened, but I would heave quite the disdainful sigh. I mean, they did pull this sort of thing with A-Towa-Cant already.... ugh...

I think that particular bit is meant to be squarely left to the interpretation of the player, and I'd be surprised if we got a clear answer.

Which, for something like that, is how I think it should be - a clear answer would be a disservice to the scene, in my opinion.

Joking aside, the issue I have with Unukalhai being "just a boy" is that

that's a pretty damn complex plan he put into place. Like, not even Alphinaud makes plans at that level, and he's considered extremely intelligent - and he made it seem like it was his plan, not Eli's.

Originally Posted by Laerune

There was also something that I did not understand so well. Is Aymeric a new Azure Dragoon or did they mean that, because of the bonds that Ishgardians and the dragons now have this bond makes them a new kind of Azure Dragoon (in name only.) Maybe someone could explain this part to me.

I understood it as

His riding a dragon makes him a new kind of Azure Dragoon, one who forged peace with the dragons instead of killing them. So it is more figure of speech. It even sort of fits as his clothes are blue. (Though I would call the colour he is wearing "cobalt", but eh). Now that they have forged peace with the dragons there is (hopefully) no more need for dragon-killing-dragoons. (And maybe we'll even see dragon-riding-dragoons??).

Also, was Aymeric his full name mentioned before?

Aymeric de Borel.

But whether that means anything is beyond me. Sounds a bit fancy for a bastard name though, at least a lot fancier than Graystone.

MSQ

About the Eyes and ideas floating around about them...

I'm fairly confident the close-up on Nidhogg's inert Eyes as we tossed them off of the Steps of Faith was meant as a visual cue that "the Dragonsong War is over, and its perpetuator gone forever." We tossed the Eyes from so high up we can't even see the bottom; while I can't say anything about how damaged or otherwise they may be (given Estinien gouged Hraesvelgr's loaned Eye out of Nidhogg's socket, then its owner put it back in half an hour later and was totes fine), the chasm seems nearly bottomless. They're probably beyond the reach of any mortal, at least... but back to the point. They're gone from the narrative, probably forever, and Nidhogg's spirit departed before we threw them, so even if someone did get them both, he's gone. Probably definitely. So there will be no Nidhogg-possessed rats coming up to menace Ishgard.

So too is any plot thread dangling from said Eyes. Probably. So Lahabrea is gone for good. Probably. And the "but he could still be alive in the Eye!" argument is now a moot point because regardless of whether or not he is, the Eye(s) are gone. Probably.

As for Blanhaerz' observation, he didn't seem to be acting at all - just observing, as the Warriors of Darkness have been shown doing aside from their scuffle with Ravana and us. I can't check if he was looking down before / while making his call because of maintenance, but right now I'm going to put my gil on him looking down to make sure we threw the Eyes off of the Steps... according to plan. Nothing about retrieving them, just making sure things are playing out according to Elidibus' script. (In fact, Lahabrea getting offed was probably beneficial to Elidibus' plan, since a chaotic element like him isn't conducive to a complex scheme like Elidibus seems to be setting up.)

As an aside, I'm now looking forward to being that chaotic element that destroys Elidibus' well-orchestrated plot.

As for Omega, it was mentioned what, once, back in 2.3? I'm not betting on it showing up again until someone says something about it, and besides, it's still a scrap heap buried in Cartenau as far as we know. Unless someone excavates it and gets a master machinist to refurbish the thing, plus a nice aether / ceruleum supply to fuel it, it's still useless... and that's a lot of conditionals. It's certainly beyond the means of Ilberd.

Warring Triad

You know, Unukalhai's exposition on Auracite reminds me a lot of VI Magicite upon further thought... makes sense with the Triad as a backdrop... but anyway.

The idea that our use of Auracite will corrupt us over time, and thus that we should stop using it, seems baseless. We only use Auracite to trap an Ascian before blowing them to smithereens; Unukalhai's story exposits that people held onto the Auracite with a trapped Primal so they could use it for power / war. Besides, Moenbryda outright stated that the White Auracite we use can't hold aether for very long - not exactly what happened in the story. Whatever sort of Auracite the people from Unukalhai's story were using, it certainly wasn't the White kind we use. (There are other kinds of Auracite?! This is also news!)