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    4.0 would be the time to show the Garleans in a somewhat better light even as we try to help the Ala Mhigans, who as you said prior to the Garleans were the ones who tried to conquer atleast part of Eorzea. I'm also a fan of XII and think it'll be even easier to show that Garlemald itself isn't evil once we finally start getting there...but much like in XII we WILL still have to deal with Varis and co.

    Also don't forget that the XII HD release will be out before 5.0, probably within the early 4.0 patch series. So if XV doesn't do it for empire sympathies that one might.
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    I personally find it very sad that everyone involved in MSQ is ignoring Yda and Papalymo completely. We as players get a hint in maybe two patches about where they might be right now but that's it. Y'Shtola isn't curious about them, Thancred not interested, Alphy too worried about his internal conflicts to even bother...
    For me Yda and Papalymo are the best characters, and it's very dissapointing to see it's only me (amongst all the main characters) that want's to rescue them like we did for Y'Shtola, Thancred and Minfilia. I know thanks to the CS they probably don't need rescuing, but since nobody even mentions them, I'd like a whole patch dedicated to these two superstars this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bebekurenai View Post
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    Except we're not ignoring them, we just haven't heard of *any* news about their locations. The last thing we know about them was the remains of their linkshells were found in Ul'dah. After that they were untraceable.

    That's not that no one isn't looking, or no one cares, we have no leads, no ideas, nothing to go on. Basically, there are more important things we need to be doing than worrying about them for now, or searching aimlessly around Eorzea.

    When something is found, you can be sure that lead will be followed with the same zeal as the other Scions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bebekurenai View Post
    I personally find it very sad that everyone involved in MSQ is ignoring Yda and Papalymo completely. We as players get a hint in maybe two patches about where they might be right now but that's it. Y'Shtola isn't curious about them, Thancred not interested, Alphy too worried about his internal conflicts to even bother...
    I don't think it's a lack of interest as much as it is what the Scions seem to suffer from in general: lack of communication. Thancred and Krile were both back at the Rising Stones between 3.1 and 3.2 but apparently have not asked around to see if there were any news. They all tend to focus intensely on their own work and can sometimes miss the bigger picture.

    Quote Originally Posted by PArcher View Post
    Except we're not ignoring them, we just haven't heard of *any* news about their locations. The last thing we know about them was the remains of their linkshells were found in Ul'dah. After that they were untraceable.

    That's not that no one isn't looking, or no one cares, we have no leads, no ideas, nothing to go on. Basically, there are more important things we need to be doing than worrying about them for now, or searching aimlessly around Eorzea.

    When something is found, you can be sure that lead will be followed with the same zeal as the other Scions.
    If you talked to one of the people in Rising Stones between 3.1 and 3.2, they definitely had an idea that Yda and Papalymo were most likely in Little Ala Mhigo even if there was no absolute confirmation of it. That was definitely a lead to follow, but likely no one thought to ask that person, or they were simply too focused on both finding Minfilia and dealing with Nidhogg to think of much else at the time. Another possibility is that they heard the rumors and figured that as long as Yda and Papalymo were alive, there were more pressing matters to deal with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
    For what it's worth, while Riol (who has been coordinating the search from the Rising Stones) hasn't heard anything since their linkshells were found, Yda and Papalymo have made zero effort to make themselves findable in the first place. They've been holed up with the Ala Mhigan Resistance (a suspiciously well-funded and official-looking faction of it, at that), and Yda is emotionally invested in that pursuit to the point that Papalymo feels he has to remind her that there's a bigger picture.

    I assume they'll be part of the portal between the Ishgard and Ala Mhigo story arcs.
    Have you spoken to the Rising Stones NPCs between 3.1 and 3.2 though? There is definitely a suspicion on where they are even if nothing is actually being done about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenkuu View Post
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    Or, someone is investigating (3.1-3.3 isn't that much time, maybe a week or three); could be nothing has come of the lead (investigated, maybe found something, but nothing that really says anything on its own), still ongoing (scouts haven't returned yet), or it proved to be a dead end.

    But, if its just a suspicion based on where their last known location was (potentially a month or more ago) and no real evidence, it may not even be worth looking. Resources can't just be spent on a gut feeling from the "rank-and-file" Scions (heck, *we* can't even waste them on gut feelings...we need something somewhat solid to stand on. Yeah, the Echo breaks it a little, but we don't pull that card on anyone except those who trust our word completely...which isn't that many people)

    There's also the possibility that the Scions have found something bad, and just do not want us burdened with the news just yet (maybe evidence that they left for Ala Mihgo, and since we cannot get there at this time...). We're just starting to recover from what happened in the Dragonsong War (they may not know the details, but do know we were at the center of the conflict and have lost a lot in the war), its not unwise to get some rest and have spirits raised a little before something troubling comes around again (which we know will, as long as the Primals and Garleans and Ascians are around). Otherwise, we may just let Fray lead us away from everything...
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    For what it's worth, while Riol (who has been coordinating the search from the Rising Stones) hasn't heard anything since their linkshells were found, Yda and Papalymo have made zero effort to make themselves findable in the first place. They've been holed up with the Ala Mhigan Resistance (a suspiciously well-funded and official-looking faction of it, at that), and Yda is emotionally invested in that pursuit to the point that Papalymo feels he has to remind her that there's a bigger picture.

    Papalymo
    We cannot stay here forever, Yda. We have other responsibilities.

    Yda
    I know full well what my responsibilities are─and I mean to fulfill them, every one!
    I assume they'll be part of the portal between the Ishgard and Ala Mhigo story arcs.
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    Every other character has had some sort of lead for us to find them. As well now that the Dragonsong War is over we can start diverting resources to find them. Course given the last little stinger we had it might be more probably we'll start going towards their location before even knowing they are there because of other threats that also need our attention, but it works out in the end.
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    That seems like a likely scenario. Even though we know little of what they are actually doing, we know their with the Ala Mhigo Resistance and that there's a guy with a mask, that's about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draginhikari View Post
    we know their with the Ala Mhigo Resistance and that there's a guy with a mask, that's about it.
    Speaking of...

    Certainly not to derail all of the "It's Ilberd!" - "No, it's Gaius!" - "No, it's Theodred!" debate, but I suspect that it's a lot of guys (and gals) in masks. Yda is excited for the Imperials not to know what hit them when the Masks launch their attack. They sound like a unit, to me. Though, that's not to say that someone familiar isn't behind any of the Masks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
    Speaking of...

    Certainly not to derail all of the "It's Ilberd!" - "No, it's Gaius!" - "No, it's Theodred!" debate, but I suspect that it's a lot of guys (and gals) in masks. Yda is excited for the Imperials not to know what hit them when the Masks launch their attack. They sound like a unit, to me. Though, that's not to say that someone familiar isn't behind any of the Masks...
    Eh, in the cutscene where Yda mentioned the Masks, they're hanging around a group that are exclusively wearing masks as it is, apparently they mean to go into combat wearing a Lv20 crafting gear... The mask we see in a later cutscene is clearly special in some way, either their leader or some artifact... My guess is a symbol of royalty, meaning their leader is "Theodred"...

    We might well have a Spartacus situation with the mask later, but for now I think the Masks will attack, their leader will gain notoriety and we'll be drawn into the conflict somehow... Hopefully it's Ilberd, so we have plenty of reason to despise him, would also give Y&P a reason to come out of hiding; They wanted to make certain someone is who they say they are, turns out they're not and it's Ilberd, and we go into Ala Mhigo to stop him. Ilberd leading a rebellion is in nobodies best interest, if he loses he brings Garlemald down on Ala Mhigo and right on our doorstep, not to mention getting a bunch of people killed, if he wins...Well, somehow I think Ala Mhigo would go back to its old ways and we'd see a repeat of the Autumn War... That's before we even consider any super weapons that might get involved... Not necessarily Omega, but we know where Gaius found Ultima, so lets just hope that's all that was there...
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