Dark knight

[Mattelot]

Level 60 with a job only tells me you got to level 60 on a job.

I have level 60 bard and wouldn't say i know how to play it.
I can play it, but not to the same level as raiding bards.

Actually, going by your standards that you've been speaking about, Valkyriearia is your ideal veteran.

[Violette]

Actually, going by your standards that you've been speaking about, Valkyriearia is your ideal veteran.

Here are some non-theoretical numbers on tank DPS in midas savage

[Shinzee]

Oh rly? Goodbye to your mana? Everytime you drop grit you have blood weapon up or you did smth wrong and swap around way too much, as soon blood weapon is popped you regain even more mp than a grit reactivation would cost you. War can dance around at no cost apart from a 10s cd on it and no effect upon activating their tank stance, drk/pld on the other hand can use their tank stance as an additional cooldown. In the end its just a matter of l2p and nothing else but lets rather ask for buffs to make drk best in everything if played right and as good as the other 2 if played like a pld.

[Violette]

Oh rly? Goodbye to your mana? Everytime you drop grit you have blood weapon up or you did smth wrong and swap around way too much, as soon blood weapon is popped you regain even more mp than a grit reactivation would cost you. War can dance around at no cost apart from a 10s cd on it and no effect upon activating their tank stance, drk/pld on the other hand can use their tank stance as an additional cooldown. In the end its just a matter of l2p and nothing else but lets rather ask for buffs to make drk best in everything if played right and as good as the other 2 if played like a pld.

Interesting idea: If played like PLD, DRK's damage actually is lower. Cause no MP regens.

[Mattelot]

>Join Date: June 2016
>Paladin Lv 60


So either:
You're a botter who spam levelled via fates to hit 60 on 2+ classes in 7 days OR you have no idea what you're talking about.

Either or, go away.

When you are playing all 3 tank classes in raid, come back and tell me about tank imbalance. That means clearing A5S at minimum.

Until then, you've not experienced proper tanking.

Could you please link the source that states that clearing A5S is the minimum for experiencing proper tanking? I would appreciate it.

[Violette]

Could you please link the source that states that clearing A5S is the minimum for experiencing proper tanking? I would appreciate it.

It's not official, it's my own metric.

It's just if you're not raiding, you're not being forced to play the class anywhere near it's fullest. You're not trying out new things to squeeze an extra tankbuster in your cooldowns, extra tankiness out of your existing cooldowns while pushing your DPS to the extreme.
And A5S is so easy these days (and when it was released), clearing it isn't much of a challenge.

[Mattelot]

It's not official, it's my own metric.

It's just if you're not raiding, you're not being forced to play the class anywhere near it's fullest. You're not trying out new things to squeeze an extra tankbuster in your cooldowns, extra tankiness out of your existing cooldowns while pushing your DPS to the extreme.
And A5S is so easy these days (and when it was released), clearing it isn't much of a challenge.

What is the basis for your metric? That more or less sounds like elitist rhetoric.

[Violette]

What is the basis for your metric? That more or less sounds like elitist rhetoric.

I'm not going to ask an amateur chef for advice on how to cook fish, when I could ask a chef of 30 years experience in seafood.

Sure the amateur MAY be right, but he's lucky.
The chef with 30 years experience will know far more about it, and will have the experience I can trust in.

Dungeons/24 man's are so mind-blowingly easy from the tanks perspectives that you won't learn much from it. Midas Normal is also pretty easy, so it's only when we get into ACTUAL end game content.

There's a reason most groups faceroll "dungeon roulette: extreme". There's a reason most groups take 1-2 tries to clear all 24 man raids. So the average player can have fun, clear and get through relatively unscathed. There is nothing wrong with that.

But Faust forced people to do DAMAGE. You couldn't clear Faust week 1 with only 190 and ravana weapons, by not using enochian. You cannot clear Hummelfaust without knowing your damage rotations. You cannot solo tank Hummelfaust if you don't know your ability rotations. You can clear Sohr Kai and Hullbreaker hard without using a single defensive cooldown.

Hullbreak/Sohr Kai/Mhachi does not force you to stance dance. To squeeze out dps. To know fights inside out and tailor your rotation to a fight.
And that's the mark of a good healer/dps/tank. The ability to adapt and do their job well.

So until you've gone through that, you've not tested yourself. You can practice on a dummy all you like, but you're not actually getting good.

So that's why clearing A5S is what I call the benchmark for knowing ANY class. And even that's pushing it. My friends group's scholar didn't know what indom did, in A7S.

So you can call me elitist, but so what? What's the basis for your metric?

[Comrade_uri]

I think thy should buff darkside from 15% to 25% r 30% like pld so drk can keep up with warrior i know ppl like tank to just stand n take dmg but if we can do good dmg too more ppl will play tank role thn duty finder won't be so slow

Thats cool but WAR gets a buff to some of its mitigations so it can take tank busters easyier or even better let's make all the tanks the same!

I'm beginning to hate these threads.. well constructed ones I'm ok with as they show genuine interest in such things with maths and other things and a discussion can be had but this... no.. please..

[MagiusNecros]

Well OP your wish has been granted this patch. Darkside will be boosted to 20% in PvP only. Please look forward to it.