is selling housing bannable?

[Lexia]

Is it banable? How is this any different than selling any other in game items for Gil?

Well it not really bannable but can get a warning on your acccount which can lead to a ban if get enough warnings. It because housing is limited as most other items in the game are infinite and can be obtained without having to to through a reseller. Plus they not actually selling the plot as you still have to buy the plot from the system after giving the person gil to give it up.

[Celef]

Is it banable? How is this any different than selling any other in game items for Gil?

Because you are not supposed to do it in the way housing was created, thus it's kind of a "bug exploit" (and some people buy so many houses just for reselling that it screws the game for others and is considered as a nuissance regarding the TOS)

[Felis]

Is it banable? How is this any different than selling any other in game items for Gil?

Because you don't buy an item. You only pay someone millions so that he burn down his house, and then millions again to buy the plot before someone else do it.

[Zelas]

Is it banable? How is this any different than selling any other in game items for Gil?

It's not the same. You're not selling the house itself. You're selling the chance to buy the house.

Technically, it's as if someone bought the last pie at the supermarket, then you had to pay that person 5-10 times the price they paid for it so they'll put it back on the counter for you to buy at its original price. It's technically blackmail, and no 100% guarantee that someone else won't walk by and buy the pie while you're not looking.

That, and it's leading to some very shady behavior, like people going in a pair to a house and having one person spam trade requests to an honest buyer while their friend grabs the house, to then resell the right to buy it for several times the original price.

There's absolutely nothing that can really defend this makeshift system. Not even the fact that the housing system is flawed. You're encouraging the most toxic behavior in this game by trying to justify it, when everyone should instead be reporting it at much as possible to show their discontent with it.

Lastly, if you're desperate enough for a house that you'd encourage the kind of behavior that's keeping you from getting one in the first place, then you're also a part of the problem.

[StouterTaru]

I asked a GM about this a few months ago after browsing the subreddit for housing. Their answer was that there is no in-game mechanic that allows you to actually sell/trade your house to someone else. You don't really sell your house. Someone gives you gil, and you drop the house so they can then buy it. That's just not a real trade.

So the same would apply to run/pony sales, off MB sales over 1M gil, player casinos, and any other player created exchange.

But in the end there's a nice catch-all in the ToS, saying it's their game, they do what they want.

[Felis]

So the same would apply to run/pony sales, off MB sales over 1M gil, player casinos, and any other player created exchange.

But in the end there's a nice catch-all in the ToS, saying it's their game, they do what they want.

Aren't player casinos reportable already? I think there was a thread.

[Zelas]

So the same would apply to run/pony sales, off MB sales over 1M gil, player casinos, and any other player created exchange.

But in the end there's a nice catch-all in the ToS, saying it's their game, they do what they want.

Again, similar but not entirely the same.
I don't condone selling runs, because I think it's a pretty stupid practice and promotes laziness, but at least, there, they're selling something. The person actually GETS the kill/drop/whatever, and if they don't, they have sufficient evidence they got double-crossed (through screenshots, chatlogs, etc.).

For housing, you're not paying the player for anything at all other than a sort of bribe ("I'm holding this house hostage until you give me back the money I paid for it."). You're technically being asked to pay for the seller's purchase (or sometimes, several times their purchase) on top of your own. You pay for THEIR past entertainment/use of the house, and then buy the house AGAIN for yourself. Which you could otherwise get for only one of the fees if they were being honest and just let it go as they should.

[MomomiMomi]

Which you could otherwise get for only one of the fees if they were being honest.

Is keeping your house dishonest now? Because if not, they can be honest and you can not get the house at all.

[StouterTaru]

Again, similar but not entirely the same.
I don't condone selling runs, because I think it's a pretty stupid practice and promotes laziness, but at least, there, they're selling something. The person actually GETS the kill/drop/whatever, and if they don't, they have sufficient evidence they got double-crossed (through screenshots, chatlogs, etc.).

For housing, you're not paying the player for anything at all other than a sort of bribe ("I'm holding this house hostage until you give me back the money I paid for it."). You're technically being asked to pay for the seller's purchase (or sometimes, several times their purchase) on top of your own. You pay for THEIR past entertainment/use of the house, and then buy the house AGAIN for yourself. Which you could otherwise get for only one of the fees if they were being honest and just let it go as they should.

It's closer to scalping than bribery. And if you are selling your relinquishment of the plot at the time of the buyer's choosing, they would also "have sufficient evidence they got double-crossed (through screenshots, chatlogs, etc.)." Playing the MB would be bribery by your definition.

Off MB sales over 1M are the same way, the person could take your 20M, 1M at a time, then not give you the item on the last trade. Fraud is fraud, following through on an agreement isn't fraud.

Run/pony sales are closer to bribery than house flipping, you pay the group to do something for you and to pass on the drop(s).

Player casinos aren't against the ToS, but people have been given warnings for spamming chat with them.