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    LaylaTsarra's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabzy View Post
    I do know that, and my point is that some people have the gil and would be okay with spending that much for a plot. Yeah it does suck for people who aren't that rich, but if SE have made no other options then what exactly do people expect?

    The one, somewhat flawed, option of auto-demolition is also on hold. So there literally is no other option at the moment.
    Well you do have the option to wait. You also have the option to risk a ban if reported and a GM decides it's something they want to do. Now if it's done privately the chances are perhaps small that would happen but if you advertise in party finder you're taking a big risk in my opinion. I wouldn't risk my account for a few million gil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra View Post
    They plan to implement transfers and how that will be done is yet to be seen. Will you be able to upgrade a small to a medium that way? Hard to say.
    This feature should have been added before new wards were being released. As it is not, it's not really a solution for anyone at the moment as the likelihood of plots even being available then will be very slim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabzy View Post
    if SE have made no other options then what exactly do people expect?
    The one, somewhat flawed, option of auto-demolition is also on hold. So there literally is no other option at the moment.
    Of course you have another option. You have the option of treating housing as it was intended in the first place. You pay for use of a house and in exchange you can use that house for as long as you want. When you're done with it and no longer care about keeping it, then you relinquish the plot. That's it.

    A gil sink doesn't consist of paying gil for a while, then getting it all back. It's done by paying gil and not getting it back. Housing prices are suppossed to be an expense, not an investment. That's the reason why you can't directly sell a house to another player, because you're not supposed to be selling it to them at all.

    The fact that some players are too greedy to use the system as designed doesn't mean the intended design is any less available. (There are, of course, a lot of other major problems with the design, like why plots are so limited in the first place. But that doesn't invalidate the designed-in "no selling" rule. If anything, it just makes it more necessary.)
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    Patch notes say that auto demolition will return with patch 3.5 whenever that is.
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    I'm baffled that a resource so limited as plots is not limited one per account.
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    Honestly the whole "rich buying plots to sell for more later" comes from SE's poorly designed system of not being able to sell off your land to other players in a hard coded system.

    I am sure a lot of people would be willing to put their plot up for sale if the minimum price was hardcoded. Players should be able to "put their plot up for sale", however the easiest way around it would be to cap the price at the maximum for the plot, or simply hard-code it similar to how plot prices depreciate while they are on the "market".

    For example.. (using the 3.3 prices just to make it easy).
    House owner of a Mansion wants to sell their house, and flag it as "For Sale".
    House buyer can immediatly buy it for max price (50 mil), and house seller receives the minimum price for the plot (25 mil). 25 mil goes in the sink.
    The longer the house is "for sale" the more it depreciates, until hitting the minimum price (25mil).

    Basically the difference between the minimum and the actual purchase price disappears into the sink, and the original home owner gets the minimum price back for their land, regardless how long it takes to sell..

    What would this mean? Seller gets the minimum price for the plot back, buyer only spends as much as they should (if they were to buy a new plot from the server). Only difference is the amount of gil that gets sunk is smaller.

    I believe this system is better as it doesn't totally stuff over the buyer by having to effectively pay double, the seller still gets a portion of what they paid back, and it would encourage more plot fluctuations when people come and go from the game which would potentially end up being a better gil sink as this would be more frequent then someone completely relinquishing their house or risking the ban hammer for selling..

    Basically my point is a lot of the problems come from the system itself. They could simply improve the buying/selling system where none of these issues would be a problem, and there wouldn't be anything to ban in the first place - as the system could quite easily be fair for all parties involved, and still sink some gil in the process.
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    Last edited by Altena; 06-05-2016 at 10:28 PM.

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    Well they ARE adding a ton of plots like in two days, so it's not like they're ignoring the issue.
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    And they also know that won't be enough considering the tone of players trying to get a house cause they don't have one and those buying just to resell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watachy View Post
    C'était en fait SE qui survolait Ishgard sur une liasse de billets

    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    People don't know how to take criticism anymore, and bad play is rewarded with with a coddling mentality. Yes, this is a casual game for the most part - that doesn't mean people need to walk on eggshells in fear of getting reported for pointing out things. This whole 'please don't say anything even slightly negative' mentality that we seem to be going towards and the devs seemingly pushing towards it is creating a disturbing trend.

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    Part of the appeal of housing is it's lack of constant availability and they are working on it with several methods. Adding more plots and returning unused houses. That's enough for now. If you really want a house and you have Gil to burn you can make a pf asking for someone willing to sell. That's fundamentally and morally different then someone seeking to sell. It changes from "I'm out to make a profit" to "I'm out to make someone a profit and get something in return."
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    its to late
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