RIP MCH

[Wilhem]

Ah the "good ol' RIP this or that" posts they never get old... In all honesty most people won't even see a difference between now and the 3.3 bard as most player can't really exploit those changes in any meaningful way so despite your "doom and gloom" machinist won't become persona non grata just because of some buff bards have gotten at worst bard will become the "flavor of the month" class and that will be all.

[ErryK]

I don't even get this post, this individual says "RIP MCH" and then proceeds to say "I am intending to go MCH main soon and I hear it's fun!" Like, what do you think you are achieving by naming your threat something entirely different than what you're saying? It feels like this individual is just sheep, swaying wherever the "majority" is. On top of that, they're not even right on 90% of what they're saying. BRD and MCH are equally as important depending on how you want to work around your party composition, though in all honesty, MCH would be the most useful as it would buff not only its own damage but the damage of the tanks, any melee DPS and its own pet. So yeah, what the hell is this post?

[Meui]

I hopped between BRD and NIN for a good long time. To me, these 3.3 changes for BRD are basically just like putting a band-aid over the real problem. Which is Wanderer's Minuet. It doesn't quite fit with BRD's core playstyle, and I feel that's part of the problem they were having with DPS output. Increasing potentcies should probably help but it was the easy way out for SE in my opinion.

These days I main MCH and thoroughly enjoy it. So, that's where I'll be.

[Altena]

Eh? MCH was/is more desired in the current raid cycle. Not sure why you have such big issues with them bringing BRD up to scruff.

In saying that though, I don't think a buff to their DoT's is the answer, as BRD is a stronger multi-target class than MCH. I personally believe BRD needs playstyle adjustments more than the damage buffs they are giving it. Fixing the awkward "tack on" WM mechanic would be the first step. MCH doesn't suffer as much as their procs are bound to GCDs, whereas BRD's are oGCD's. It just makes BRD a clunkier class to play as you are trying to violently mash your procs between casts.

[Phyllo]

Remove the rng from machinist and it'll become a boring 123 rotation with ogcd.
The rng in mch is nice, it makes it fresh, however yes the rng is a little too low and feels more like 20% than 50%, but no they don't need to remove the rng, it's part of what makes it different from the other jobs.

[Bloodb]

This is how MMO's are, be happy for bards. Play what you find is the most fun.

The goal was to bring bards alongside to machinist i'm sure. They had to have done some controlled testing.

[Alexftw]

Tbh our bard these days plays mch and honestly I see no diff.

When he switches to mch he does more dps but, I do less due to no foe requiem. When he switches to bard I do more dps but he does less.
In the end its the same. (mch has advantage on a melee party at the moment).

Either way even with the way these classes are at the moment theyr'e still good enough to do any ingame content.

[Meryl-ZT]

Wait, people still play Machinist? Seems like the job was dead in the water from the start to me. I can count the number of people I see with the job on one hand, and having played it to 50 myself it's not hard to see why.

The entire job revolves around RNG. You get a short burst of activity whenever Reload is up, and then it dies down to a trickle for the next 45 seconds. Sometimes you get lucky and receive a decent number of procs, and other times you don't get any and are reduced to spamming Split Shot (which, by the by, has lower potency than Bard's Heavy Shot). It's a bit of a mess of a job, if we're completely honest with each other.

You don't seem to know what you're talking about, Machinists perform really well in the current fights. They even outDPS most of the other jobs on some raid encounters. The gap between MCH and BRD in actual encounters is really large at the moment.

[Adventica6]

nin got some aoe buffs, rip blm, see how stupid threads like these are?

[SaitoHikari]

Echoing what people are saying here, I have both classes leveled to 60 and all these buffs do is essentially rocket BRD over in striking dummy fights. Bard's real issue is the fact that they're a DoT heavy class with Wanderer's Minuet clashing with Bloodletter procs, which is something these buffs aren't addressing (especially in relation to this current raid tier, where MCH performance is on a whole other level due to how the fights are designed).

But sure, even before the buffs, people keep bringing up that BRD and MCH damage isn't that wide at all when testing with striking dummies. But those are striking dummies. If the devs design content to be harder than glorified striking dummies and it causes one class' performance to suffer tremendously, is it a problem with the fight or is it a problem with the class design?

That said, I expect the devs do have a WM rework in mind for 4.0, they just don't want to do it now because they need more data before they do something that might make things WORSE. And they can't get data when the vast majority of raid BRDs are suddenly performing a mass exodus to MCH, which is exactly why these buffs are happening.