Class balance...

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The fact that you believe that a buff that increases a WAR's attack power by 50% being on a 30s cd vs 90s cd makse no difference to WAR burst is mind boggling.

I'm really starting to wonder if it's even worth responding to you at this point, because you genuinely seem to be beyond help.

Firstly, I never said that Berserk made no difference to War's burst. You want to talk about twisting words around? This was a nice job right here. What I actually said, if you had cared to read it, was that the timer being 90s doesn't change their burst rotation ... Because it doesn't. Even on a 90s timer, War's can still prep both their double and triple Fell Cleave. Short of writing out their full rotation, I'm not sure how I could possibly make this simpler to understand. This isn't rocket science, so I'm not sure why you're struggling with it.

1) The point is, if the burst is already being stopped/mitigated/delayed/peeled, there is no reason to cover in that time frame. It's common knowledge that Cover doesn't work on Magic. smh

It's comments exactly like this one that make me question your experience. You say that you know that Cover doesn't work on magic damage, yet you don't see the benefit to splitting a Cover and stun? Seriously??

Here's some simple groundwork for you: 1) You cannot completely stop a burst. All offensive buff timers last longer than the maximum CC. So, the best you can hope for is to delay and mitigate. 2) A Pld cannot efficiently stun multiple targets at once. I don't know why you're asking me to repeat this, because it couldn't be more simple. Even at max duration, a 4s stun is not long enough to stop a target from pursuing a party member, especially if they use purify. It also takes 6 seconds to spread enough stuns to allow a target to successfully escape. If there's only one target chasing, then a stun is fine, but if the entire dps force of an enemy team is chasing, then stuns are not enough to allow your target to Peel. Lastly, peeling is typically a stupid thing to do, and it IS ESPECIALLY USELESS SO LONG AS THE HEALER IS STILL BEING INTERRUPTED/PESTERED. You can peel as hard and far as you want, but that player will still die if the healer's cast bar is being interrupted or they're too preoccupied trying not to die themselves. Cover prevents physical dmg on the healer, but it does jack shit for casters. So, why use stun while the target is being covered? Because it's the only way to allow your healer to cast freely without being chased around the map. They can't heal someone else if they're spending all their time healing themselves. I really can't comprehend how someone with "miles" of Pld experience doesn't grasp that.

You seem to have low-expectations of a dps, and high-expectations of healers. I have a strong feeling that you are not aware of what the maximum burst potential for a particular DPS is.

Oh, you have me there. I do have extremely low expectations for dps ... but you're completely wrong as to why. I know exactly what a Dps burst is capable of. I also know what a good healer is capable of. I expect neither when I'm queuing in solo-queue Feast, because Feast queues are random. Rank has nothing to do with it either. Some of the best Dps numbers I've seen were by Bronze ranked players, and some of the worst I've seen were in Gold. it's just the luck of the draw. If I expect every Dps player that I see in Feast to be excellent at their burst rotation, I'd be disappointed nine out of ten times. So, I typically take the attitude of "hope for the best; expect the worst," when queuing for Solo-Feast. Unless I recognize the names of the people I'm playing with, I assume everyone is mediocre until they can prove otherwise.

Funny, because I'm 100% positive that my experience with and against PLDs far outweighs yours by MILES.

That really is funny, because you're still spouting a bunch of misinformed nonsense. I'm also assuming that your "miles" of experience are on a different avatar then? Because the character you're posting with doesn't even have a Pld at 60. You can see why that might be grounds for confusion. Regardless, it's hard to take you seriously when you make bizarre comments like this:

You seem to have briefly forgotten that PLD's stun is limited by their GCD. In which case, stunning a Good Healer means an instant Purify if an opposing PLD is nearby with his DPS, thus making that first 4 second stun moot and leaving PLD to wait on their GCD for the follow-up. A monk doing the first (3s) stun baiting a purify allows the PLD to follow up with an immediate stun successfully locking-up for the kill on the healer. Also, Good DPS don't require 7s of a stun to kill a target.

What in the world are you even talking about here?? There is literally NO PURPOSE to having a mnk initiate the stun unless you want to waste time that they could be using building their burst. Even if the healer purifies the first stun of a Pld on the first second, a Pld's GCD at that level is only 2s. The second stun will be off before they can so much as start a cast of cure. You're not waiting on anything, and even if you were, for some bizarre reason, Spirit's Within is a oGCD that can easily cover that time in the push of a button.

That's even assuming that the Healer purifies the stun in the first place, which also assumes that 1) they even have Purify up on CD at the time, and 2) they have the mind to use it. Surprisingly, a lot of them don't. They'll purify a sleep on the spot, but often they just ride the stun out. If they don't, or can't, use purify then they have to rely on their teammates to purify it for them. That happens next to never, so why waste time assuming it will? Even in the worst case scenario, if the healer does purify the first stun, you're not losing any more or less time if that stun was a Pld's or a Mnk's. That said, if they don't purify the stun then you just guaranteed a loss of at least 1s by planning for something that 1) might not happen in the first place, and 2) the Pld does not need help with. The fact that you could even suggest this, instead of just allowing the mnk to focus on their actual job (killing people as fast as possible) is mind numbing.

By that logic, Healer's entire kit must be "designed to facilitate kills" because they allow you to keep your offensive push as well.

It is. The point of any competition is to win, not to drag it out into a draw. Healers keep the team alive to prevent a loss of points, that's true, but if that is literally ALL you are doing, then you will never win the match. Again, if you don't comprehend this simple fact, then I can't help you.

Clemency.

I'm not even gonna bother with this one. The idea of using a 2 second cast with a non-scaled potency during a Dps push in a party composition where you already have a healer is so asinine that I don't think it needs to be addressed. Clemency is a last ditch heal only, reserved for when there is no other choice. Using it in any other capacity is a waste of time and Mp.

Again, the experience I have with said job goes leaps-and-bounds.

At this point you've said more than enough to all but prove the exact opposite. Your limited and dramatically misinformed opinions about how Pld's utility should be handled has said it all. I stick by my first assessment.

If there's one thing I can agree with you on, it's that this discussion is pointless, because you're beyond reason. I've laid out the facts for you. Take what you want from them, or (more likely) take nothing at all. Feel free to rage away at my loss of patience and lack of tact as well. I don't care at this point. It literally hurts my brain to read some of this nonsense, so I'm just going to ignore anything further you have to say on the subject and assume that it's just as empty and baseless as the rest of it. Good luck to you in the next season of Feast, especially if you're playing as Pld.