Thread: 3.3 Dark Knight PvP

Darkside gives a additional 5% and Sole Survivor afflicts a 10% damage taken in PvP. That's unfortunate, but on a side note congratulations Bards.

Its easy to say that these buffs will not be enough, but the real question is how many previous failed kills with a Dark Knight in a party would have been successful if the Dark Knight was dealing ~4% more damage and the target was taking 10% more damage? Is this number large enough that these changes will close the gap between Paladin/Warrior effectiveness and Dark Knight effectiveness?

Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Its easy to say that these buffs will not be enough, but the real question is how many previous failed kills with a Dark Knight in a party would have been successful if the Dark Knight was dealing ~4% more damage and the target was taking 10% more damage? Is this number large enough that these changes will close the gap between Paladin/Warrior effectiveness and Dark Knight effectiveness?

I can tell you right now its not.

A 120 second 10% extra damage does not beat a warrior memecombo (ontop of a DMG buff if they have it) almost 2 shotting a dps and outside of berserk still doing great damage.

I like Dark Knight a lot, but we gotta accept that SE has no idea what they're doing and that the class was constructed without a single thought of PvP in mind (which is weird because the Feast has apparently been on the drawing board for a long time). It also doesn't help that a lot of suggestions for Dark Knight are reddit tier, the class either needs good utility on most of its skills (not just buffing some garbage drain) or make it more damage oriented like Warrior. In a perfect world, we'd see class representation at the end of the season (but unfortunately due to how this game works that's pointless) where paladin and dark knight representation stand because I'm monitoring Chaos / Aether / Primal daily and neither of those classes exist, it's warrior 24 / 7.

Least we got Shatter heh.

Originally Posted by EdgyLatinName

I can tell you right now its not.

A 120 second 10% extra damage does not beat a warrior memecombo (ontop of a DMG buff if they have it) almost 2 shotting a dps and outside of berserk still doing great damage.

Considering how much people complaining about Machinist and Bard burst as well, which will be boosted by Sole Sacrifice, it might be far more effective than you think.

I like Dark Knight a lot, but we gotta accept that SE has no idea what they're doing and that the class was constructed without a single thought of PvP in mind (which is weird because the Feast has apparently been on the drawing board for a long time). It also doesn't help that a lot of suggestions for Dark Knight are reddit tier, the class either needs good utility on most of its skills (not just buffing some garbage drain) or make it more damage oriented like Warrior. In a perfect world, we'd see class representation at the end of the season (but unfortunately due to how this game works that's pointless) where paladin and dark knight representation stand because I'm monitoring Chaos / Aether / Primal daily and neither of those classes exist, it's warrior 24 / 7.

That is mainly because Warrior effectiveness is mostly independent of the rest of its party members. A Paladin needs two good DpS in party in order to kill targets while they lock down the healer. A Warrior only needs two mediocre dps focusing the same target to be effective. The question will be how good the two dps will need to be for the Dark Knight to be effective.

I'm cautiously optimistic that these buffs will be enough to make the Dark Knight usable in the Feast (which is the Dark Knight's current problem). If this works, I hope that they start working on balancing the three tanks (which may involve nerfing Warrior's burst) when Season 2 starts.

Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

That is mainly because Warrior effectiveness is mostly independent of the rest of its party members. A Paladin needs two good DpS in party in order to kill targets while they lock down the healer. A Warrior only needs two mediocre dps focusing the same target to be effective. The question will be how good the two dps will need to be for the Dark Knight to be effective.

I agree with this. It's an issue that became far more apparent to me after reaching silver rank. On Pld, I am totally reliant on the Dps actually having a clue what they're doing. I can't count how many times I've seen lack luster dps players completely waste a Full Swing / Healer stun combo and let what is essentially a free kill slip through their fingers. In the same circumstances, however, a War can just go, 'meh, FELL CLEAVE X2" and carry the team. Considering it takes next to no skill to work that rotation, it's ridiculous how much of a discrepancy there is in the damage being outputted.

Something definitely has to be done about the tank balance, because at this point War might as well be the only viable choice for all of the content in the game.

I was hoping for a magic {Cover} and a magic {Testudo} equivalent to PLD's physical party buffs. I think that would bring a great asset to DRK for defense capabilities. As far as offence goes, since Soul Eater is dependent dark side which is dependent on MP i say buff soul eater 50-70 more potency since it cannot be easily zerged x2 back to back like fell cleave and reduce mp consumption of dark side or increase the MP recovered from their riot blade equivalent (i forgot the name).