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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrz View Post
    Except AST already has two advantages, raid wide DPS increase at no or lesser MP cost (if they dps as well as cards) and a choice between a full heal and a shield at less MP cost with no cool downs needed. I think, with the way off healers interact sch and ast shielding are about the same, with ast having better sustained AoE healing (although not much needs more than succor, et succor, succor, indom) but obviously scholar destroys ast while healing in cleric stance.

    I think we should start seeing Acc focused WHM, who become the off heals in an ast whm comp or more frequently baton passing the cleric stance role.
    Crit Adlos are double strength shields and can be deployed to the group, ie: 6k crit -> 12K shield. Take into effect all possible buffs and you get 9k -> 18K shields. Not to mention a Noct Ast runs out of mp MUCH faster than a SCH. Plus SCH has an instant Aoe heal. People always take SCH for granted...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RLofOBFL View Post
    Plus SCH has an instant Aoe heal. People always take SCH for granted...
    So does Astrologian if you use Lightspeed.
    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritMuse View Post
    Well, if you count all of the tomestones and not just the lore, it is an increase because esoterics are increased to 100 for all of these and to 150 for ARF.
    Except... no one really cares about Esoterics anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    Except... no one really cares about Esoterics anymore.
    Mhm...now that would depend on whether they help with the relic or not, wouldn't you say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    So does Astrologian if you use Lightspeed.
    It sounds nice but it adds to the MP issue(mostly in Noct), helios is very pricey 1060 mp & it takes two casts to outdo Intom. which has no cost & is on a much shorter CD than Lightspeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RLofOBFL View Post
    It sounds nice but it adds to the MP issue(mostly in Noct), helios is very pricey 1060 mp & it takes two casts to outdo Intom. which has no cost & is on a much shorter CD than Lightspeed.
    forgetting that lightspeed lowers mp cost?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaze3434 View Post
    forgetting that lightspeed lowers mp cost?
    750 is still a lot(1500 bc twice) & you still have to wait for GCD & LS is on a 2:30 CD -_-
    AST is great as it is but SCH is better for shields & instant heals. & fey wind is nice. And party wide 12K shields? Who even needs healers at that point.


    Why am I falling for this bait... Dx
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    Player Kaze3434's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by RLofOBFL View Post
    750 is still a lot(1500 bc twice) & you still have to wait for GCD & LS is on a 2:30 CD -_-
    AST is great as it is but SCH is better for shields & instant heals. & fey wind is nice. And party wide 12K shields? Who even needs healers at that point.


    Why am I falling for this bait... Dx
    because it wasnt meant to be bait. your post ignored the mp reduction. im not disagreeing with you anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RLofOBFL View Post
    It sounds nice but it adds to the MP issue(mostly in Noct), helios is very pricey 1060 mp & it takes two casts to outdo Intom. which has no cost & is on a much shorter CD than Lightspeed.
    Doesn't Lightspeed reduces MP cost by 25%?

    HOWEVER, to go with RLofOBFL's argument, Lightspeed doesn't remove recast time. You'll still have to wait 2.5 seconds after using Helios to use any other healing spell, versus a WHM using Assize or SCH using Indomitability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    Doesn't Lightspeed reduces MP cost by 25%?

    HOWEVER, to go with RLofOBFL's argument, Lightspeed doesn't remove recast time. You'll still have to wait 2.5 seconds after using Helios to use any other healing spell, versus a WHM using Assize or SCH using Indomitability.
    It removes cast time for most spells besides Ascend, yes. I believe you're referring to the Global Cooldown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    Except... no one really cares about Esoterics anymore.
    people still do ilevel 100-130 Anima. And it is also possible that the Eso are needed for the 240 step

    See it as an indirect nerf of the 210 step
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    Last edited by Felis; 06-05-2016 at 05:53 AM.