Thread: 3.3 Patch Notes(Pre)

Originally Posted by Mahono

so WAR being able to mantain maim (+20%) + berserk (50%), unchained (ignores 25% dmg penalty in tank stance), slashing resistance down(10%) and 3x fell cleave (500) while having a tank stance of +25% health and 20% increase hp recovery is okay. But DRK 20% darkside would be over the top.. i dont see why..

P.S. just food for thought and healthy discussion.. not attacking anyone.

Well RNG aside, all tanks die in the same number of hits while in tank stance, and PLD/DRK are about 5% easier to top off than a WAR, who has to make up the difference with their self heals.

Originally Posted by Mahono

so WAR being able to mantain maim (+20%) + berserk (50%), unchained (ignores 25% dmg penalty in tank stance), slashing resistance down(10%) and godly fell cleave (500). While having a tank stance of +25% health and 20% increase hp recovery is okay. But DRK 20% darkside would be over the top.. i dont see why..

P.S. just food for thought and healthy discussion.. not attacking anyone.

Not even sure you have played WAR. (100% Berserk and Unchained uptime, and Fell Cleaves in Defiance. Yeah...)

Originally Posted by Mahono

i think you misunderstood me. i mean they are able to mantain maim. so that already put them in the same boat as DRK with grit and DS. but WAR can have berserk up for 20 sec, WAR can have unchained for 20 sec, and about fell cleave i mean as their highest DD pot skill vs CnS (450)..

if i have to write everything literally itll become a book, not a post. work with me here with the understanding

Scourge and Salted Earth are actually the DRK's strongest moves. 500 Pot over 30 seconds and 525 Pot over 21 seconds. But if you strictly meant full damage right now kind of attacks then yes DA CnS is a DRK's Strongest right behind DA SE.

Originally Posted by Mahono

i think you misunderstood me. i mean they are able to mantain maim. so that already put them in the same boat as DRK with grit and DS. but WAR can have berserk up for 20 sec, WAR can have unchained for 20 sec, and about fell cleave i mean as their highest DD pot skill vs CnS (450)..

we all know war is over the top ....but doesnt look like SE isnt going to change that anytime soon.

Originally Posted by Mahono

i think you misunderstood me. i mean they are able to mantain maim. so that already put them in the same boat as DRK with grit and DS. but WAR can have berserk up for 20 sec, WAR can have unchained for 20 sec, and about fell cleave i mean as their highest DD pot skill vs CnS (450)..

if i have to write everything literally itll become a book, not a post. work with me here with the understanding

Proper grammar and punctuation are very important; these have very different meanings: "Sally loves eating her family and her friends" and "Sally loves eating, her family, and her friends". One is perfectly acceptable, the other is...not.


As for your points, Maim is basically the same as Darkside, except you need to spend a GCD every other combo (or so) to keep it up, and Darkside buffs other abilities (on top of the damage boost) at the cost of MP (which isn't an issue if you're a half-way decent DRK). Storm's Eye, like Dancing Edge, also buffs other tanks' and NIN damage.

Now, if you want to compare Fell Cleave to Carve and Spit, compare the rest of the skills as well. Skull Sunder is 200 pot, Spinning Slash is 220 pot. Maim is 190, Syphon Strike is 250 (had to double-check this one. Twice). Butcher's Block is 280 and Power Slash is 300. Souleater is 260 (400 w/DA!), Storm's Path is 250. Storm's Eye is 270, Delirium is 280. Hmm...interesting that all comparable DRK skills are more potent than a WAR's are (except Hard Slash and Heavy Swing, both at 150 potency). DRK do nice, consistent damage over a fight (with proper MP management); WAR are more bursty when Berserk is up.