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    Player
    Gralna's Avatar
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    Gralya Arodica
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    Goblin
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Llynd View Post
    Well actually, having a job which have for concept to copy both whm and sch skills sucks. They will hardly manage to balance it without Killing the two other's gameplay. Personally, i dont want to see the ast with the same dps/shield potency as the sch has. This would give no point in playin it anymore. Instead, they better give a unique gameplay to the Ast( next to the cards)
    except Sch would still have two advantages over Ast even if their shields were the same, Sch has much better mp restoration, and fairy utility is really hard to overcome.
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    Sir Rawrz
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Gralna View Post
    except Sch would still have two advantages over Ast even if their shields were the same, Sch has much better mp restoration, and fairy utility is really hard to overcome.
    Except AST already has two advantages, raid wide DPS increase at no or lesser MP cost (if they dps as well as cards) and a choice between a full heal and a shield at less MP cost with no cool downs needed. I think, with the way off healers interact sch and ast shielding are about the same, with ast having better sustained AoE healing (although not much needs more than succor, et succor, succor, indom) but obviously scholar destroys ast while healing in cleric stance.

    I think we should start seeing Acc focused WHM, who become the off heals in an ast whm comp or more frequently baton passing the cleric stance role.
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    Lala Yuki
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrz View Post
    Except AST already has two advantages, raid wide DPS increase at no or lesser MP cost (if they dps as well as cards) and a choice between a full heal and a shield at less MP cost with no cool downs needed. I think, with the way off healers interact sch and ast shielding are about the same, with ast having better sustained AoE healing (although not much needs more than succor, et succor, succor, indom) but obviously scholar destroys ast while healing in cleric stance.

    I think we should start seeing Acc focused WHM, who become the off heals in an ast whm comp or more frequently baton passing the cleric stance role.
    Crit Adlos are double strength shields and can be deployed to the group, ie: 6k crit -> 12K shield. Take into effect all possible buffs and you get 9k -> 18K shields. Not to mention a Noct Ast runs out of mp MUCH faster than a SCH. Plus SCH has an instant Aoe heal. People always take SCH for granted...
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    Lemuria Glitterhands
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    Quote Originally Posted by RLofOBFL View Post
    Plus SCH has an instant Aoe heal. People always take SCH for granted...
    So does Astrologian if you use Lightspeed.
    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritMuse View Post
    Well, if you count all of the tomestones and not just the lore, it is an increase because esoterics are increased to 100 for all of these and to 150 for ARF.
    Except... no one really cares about Esoterics anymore.
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    Lodestone Bait
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    Except... no one really cares about Esoterics anymore.
    Mhm...now that would depend on whether they help with the relic or not, wouldn't you say?
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    Lala Yuki
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    Excalibur
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    So does Astrologian if you use Lightspeed.
    It sounds nice but it adds to the MP issue(mostly in Noct), helios is very pricey 1060 mp & it takes two casts to outdo Intom. which has no cost & is on a much shorter CD than Lightspeed.
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    Rumina Asou
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    Quote Originally Posted by RLofOBFL View Post
    It sounds nice but it adds to the MP issue(mostly in Noct), helios is very pricey 1060 mp & it takes two casts to outdo Intom. which has no cost & is on a much shorter CD than Lightspeed.
    forgetting that lightspeed lowers mp cost?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaze3434 View Post
    forgetting that lightspeed lowers mp cost?
    750 is still a lot(1500 bc twice) & you still have to wait for GCD & LS is on a 2:30 CD -_-
    AST is great as it is but SCH is better for shields & instant heals. & fey wind is nice. And party wide 12K shields? Who even needs healers at that point.


    Why am I falling for this bait... Dx
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    Mimiji Miji
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    Exodus
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by RLofOBFL View Post
    It sounds nice but it adds to the MP issue(mostly in Noct), helios is very pricey 1060 mp & it takes two casts to outdo Intom. which has no cost & is on a much shorter CD than Lightspeed.
    Doesn't Lightspeed reduces MP cost by 25%?

    HOWEVER, to go with RLofOBFL's argument, Lightspeed doesn't remove recast time. You'll still have to wait 2.5 seconds after using Helios to use any other healing spell, versus a WHM using Assize or SCH using Indomitability.
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    Last edited by Mimilu; 06-05-2016 at 09:25 AM.

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    Imbri Undinare
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    Kujata
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    Doesn't Lightspeed reduces MP cost by 25%?

    HOWEVER, to go with RLofOBFL's argument, Lightspeed doesn't remove recast time. You'll still have to wait 2.5 seconds after using Helios to use any other healing spell, versus a WHM using Assize or SCH using Indomitability.
    It removes cast time for most spells besides Ascend, yes. I believe you're referring to the Global Cooldown.
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