The Ifrit Fight is Dangerous to the Community.

[PrettyPrincess]

I do not agree with the OP. Granted, this Ifrit fight is aggravating and difficult. I have been participating in a group made up of ls-mates every weekend trying to down Ifrit. We have made notable progress every time we do so (we are past Hellfire and are managing to stay alive a bit afterwards) - it requires hours of practice and the need for every person involved to know their class and hold themselves accountable when they fek up. The ls I am in is considered midcore - not hardcore or softcore - yet we are making progress. Sure, I think Ifrit is a d**k but I do not ever want to see him dumbed down to the point everyone, at this time, can do him. I am not interested in that and I have a feeling quite a few others would agree.

I would agree, however, the server lag and all things associated with it does not help in this fight at all. You think you are out of the plumes or eruptions and end up finding out otherwise. That part is irritating and something I hope can be cured sooner rather than later. That is my only complaint about this encounter.

You are not required to do Ifrit. Since you are not required to do him, this thread you have started is moot and a waste of time. You do not need to do Ifrit to progress anywhere in the game - at least for the moment. The resentment that you hold, and the few others that might agree with you, is your own doing. Hold yourself accountable. If this fight is making you angry then it is time to step away and do something else for awhile.

mhmm I agree

[DoctorMog]

This thread is still going?

Jeez

If people spent as much time in-game trying as much as on the forums whining, they would have Ifrit on farm by now.

And OP: You aren't the only person who went through game design school, I graduated from Champlain College 2008 Game Design Major. Your opinion (nor mine) is not better than anyone else. Get over yourself. If you want change, do it the right way. This thread is a joke.

[Drex]

Know why? Resentment.

People are going to resent bad game design, as well as the fact that the most "hardcore" of people ever managed to beat Ifrit. That kind of elitist game design does not really support community unity. Especially when the hardcore shells decide to rub it into everybody else's faces by running around flashing their fancy drops.



No. It's not fun when your party wipes because of the following:

1. The design of the battle fails to take into account player lag - both technical and human.
2. Ifrit is far too powerful for the regular Classes. Jobs might make it easier, but seriously man...take this crap into account for a change.
3. The battles require a lot of "high spec", both technical, gear-wise, and class-wise. This is incredibly exclusionary, and does not really lend a lot of positive atmosphere to the fight.
4. The fact that some party configurations, like 6x Lancers, 2x Con/Thm, have a higher chance of success than other configurations, is simply repeating the Dzemael Mistake. (Whoring of the Archer class, anyone?)
5. I respect Yoshi-P for wanting to bring back the challenging factors of the olden-days of MMOs, but this is the wrong way to do it with the new generation of MMOs. I don't like it when I waste an hour of my time dying to Ifrit every time because of lag, animation lock, etc.

Basically what I am trying to say is that these fights do not account for the CURRENT state of FFXIV, which is something I find to be very irritating and un-fun.

Anyway, I needed to rant a bit. I am an aspiring game designer myself, and I really can't stand bad game design. Simply put, Dzemael Darkhold and Ifrit are both examples of bad design that caters to an exclusive subset that loves to inflict insane amounts of self-torture.

I would prefer that Yoshi-P actually do one thing: Focus his game design of these encounters around the largest segment of the playerbase. Hardcore players that like insane challenges do not apply to that category, because they are statistically a minority - I am not saying Hardcore players should be ignored, just that they should not be used as a point of reference for designing these things.

To quote a popular internet meme:

WTF is this sh*t?

After reading your post, there are many things that i would like to tell you...

but there is 1 word that can summarize my thoughts :>>>>> LOL!!

You can't be serious... Ifrit is not that hard, I hope that the next NMs will be harder... take away the lag , and it will be a p***y-fight.

there are so many ways to kill him:

- harcore players
- good set up with all the abilities needed
- well equiped players
- casual players who know how to play^^ (I have to press "A" it right ..... NOW!)
- luck
- etc...


l2p is the best advice it comes to my mind....

[PrettyPrincess]

This thread is still going?

Jeez

If people spent as much time in-game trying as much as on the forums whining, they would have Ifrit on farm by now.

And OP: You aren't the only person who went through game design school, I graduated from Champlain College 2008 Game Design Major. Your opinion (nor mine) is not better than anyone else. Get over yourself. If you want change, do it the right way. This thread is a joke.

If people spent more time in game in general they would realize most of their issues are non issues.

[Yazoo]

My LS didn't kill Ifrit yet, but I still think it's fun.

[AlexNiculaie]

One day we shall look at this thread and laugh at it.

Already there. Seriously, this thread is a joke. Many people have beaten Ifrit using differing methods. Just because you haven't doesn't make it bad design, it just means you haven't put forth enough effort.

I haven't beaten Ifrit myself, know a lot of people in game who have. Doesn't bother me. In fact, I haven't met a single person who has felt resentful for not beating it. Sounds like you are (as usual) projecting your own shortcoming onto others. Let me assure you, you do not speak for the community.

[RemVye]

Working on an all archer strategy... 4 arch 1 thm 2 con 1 mrd

For the lulz

[PrettyPrincess]

I'm going as Arc on Ifrit tonight! woot woot!

I WILL MAKE USE OF MY IFRIT BOW >:O

[Aenarion]

The typical i-heard-it-from-someone-so-it-must-be-true. Have u tried it yourself that wristflicking works? probably not, so stop spouting nonsense and claim everyone here beats ifrit with that method.

wait, so he wasn't being sarcastic? and here I thought you guys were just being mean!

[Nahaara]

wait, so he wasn't being sarcastic? and here I thought you guys were just being mean!

So let me get this straight, I say something that I heard that I think is true but turns out not to be true, and that gives people free reign to be mean to me? Wow.