Powerleveling Revisited

[Xoo]

I don't see the pride in taking 2 hours of killing mobs to get from 25 to 26, to be honest it seems rather stupid to be proud of that. Another thing is you don't learn to play your jobs by soloing or partying, you can't just go and do raids cause you manually leveled to 50 with no higher level assistance, you still have to learn the ins and outs of whatever raid you are doing. I do agree it is kinda lame to just go from 1-50 in three days but hey, better to have that job at 50 then to not have it.

Overall I just don't understand the mindset of "power level is evil", all I see is a shortcut to the fun stuff.

I just hope they have all that endgame content they're gonna have to come up with real quicklike to support all this mass of max-level mayhem. There is a downside to everything, and unfortunately some of you can't see just how many this situation brings with it.

EDIT: You have an amazing cat there, Treach!

[Physic]

If you do not like it you should have left the party. Stop killing fun for others.. I have 4 jobs at cap and if i want to help a friend or get help i should be able to. And OF COURSE you say ff11 did it right you and almost everyone esle thinks f11 did no wrong.... it sickens me.

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The point is that the dude is saying plevels come to his parties uninvited, and kill the fun of the game. I would not be surprised if this was happening. If it happens it sucks. Perfectly understandable.

That said i dont really mind pleveling that much when its planned. Sometimes you just dont have the people, or you just need some skills. If they killed pleveling i would probably not cry, but honestly i have no problem using itfor certain things now.

[Aleczan]

People are amazing. Making me wonder if they even read the situation that the OP was explaining so elaborately. Making me wonder if you even try to understand what we're saying.

If you do not like it you should have left the party. Stop killing fun for others.. I have 4 jobs at cap and if i want to help a friend or get help i should be able to. And OF COURSE you say ff11 did it right you and almost everyone esle thinks f11 did no wrong.... it sickens me.

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So if someone is willing to be power leveled they should not be allowed to EXP in a normal party also?

Do you hear yourself? You honestly think that is a reasonable stance to take and not just you overreacting to the fact that some people occasionally power level.

The OP was saying he was forced to leave the party, or got his party members stolen from him because someone brought a PL in, in the middle of normal EXP party.

You guys think it's fair to spend an hour or so trying to put together a party, and then in the middle of it, party had to break into halves or disband because someone suddenly remembers that they wanted a PL and decides to bring in a PL? Now look who's killing the fun of other people.

I am not saying they should not be allowed to EXP in a normal party, but at least they should have enough manner not to ruin someone else's party by suddenly bringing in a PL.


If you want to have a PL, fine. Just go and stay with your PL. If you want to join a normal EXP party, that's fine too. But joining a normal EXP party without any notification in advance that "I am bringing in a PL" and then by doing so, you end up crippling the party, making it break, or causing it to disband IS NOT FINE.

[Mindx3]

Um, I'm really not sure how valid this thread is anymore. For those of us that have played the game after 1.19a, you will notice that people who are 10+ levels below the highest level in the party get ZERO experience points from the mob. I only noticed this when someone switched to a level 50 char during a stronghold party and I suddenly stopped gaining xp (I was 39). In addition, the only method left for powerleveling is similar to the ffxi version, though definitely easier. Higher level players can help a party out by healing or doing damage after a mob has been claimed (not just linked, claimed) so this really isn't as much of an issue as before. The other deal is that yes, equipment up to r20 is sold by vendors, and since upper level gear is nerfed on lower level characters, players will appropriate rank gear below 20, R20 till R30, and then usually dungeon gear after that(since they are easier to get now), or the company gear (which is 25+).
Thus
Powerleveling (harder to do, definently no way for people to simply sit and gain xp, not possible anymore.)
Gear Demand
1-20: Gear from vendor (levels go too quick to continually change gear).
20-30: R20 gear from vendor (equipment still doesn't matter all that much).
25+ or 30+ :unique equipment (better than any equipment until about R45)
40+ : buy gear

Thus the only gear in demand is 40+, all gear below that was used up by people buying gear to turn into materia.

Plvling is still broken, nothing stopping a 50 from claiming and linking mobs while in party then dropping group and aoeing

[Kyou_Ruxy]

Some people say they want to skip to the fun parts.

But then, they get to endgame, and find every single way to skip everything they can.

Darkhold is ran by training mobs most of the way, just running through here and there. Of course, you can't avoid that if you want that 25 min. chest.

And then for the boss fights, we'll find every shortcut possibles to avoid any efforts and remove every risk into the fight.

So where is that fun part that you're skipping to? Wearing those shinies is the fun part?

I'd comment on Ifrit, sentinel, etc. but really, I haven't been to that fight yet, haven't had the time for it. So I won't.

But it just feels like overall people are skipping the "boring" parts to get to the fun, that really isn't there, if even at endgame, you're skipping most of the content. A lot of people seems (keyword is seems) to be trying to get to the end of a game with no end. That's not hardcore, that's not skills, that's mindlessly pushing through. Like a A miquote chasing her tail...

[Murugan]

People are amazing. Making me wonder if they even read the situation that the OP was explaining so elaborately. Making me wonder if you even try to understand what we're saying.








The OP was saying he was forced to leave the party, or got his party members stolen from him because someone brought a PL in, in the middle of normal EXP party.

You guys think it's fair to spend an hour or so trying to put together a party, and then in the middle of it, party had to break into halves or disband because someone suddenly remembers that they wanted a PL and decides to bring in a PL? Now look who's killing the fun of other people.

I am not saying they should not be allowed to EXP in a normal party, but at least they should have enough manner not to ruin someone else's party by suddenly bringing in a PL.


If you want to have a PL, fine. Just go and stay with your PL. If you want to join a normal EXP party, that's fine too. But joining a normal EXP party without any notification in advance that "I am bringing in a PL" and then by doing so, you end up crippling the party, making it break, or causing it to disband IS NOT FINE.

How exactly does one "steal your party members". I'm asking because I have put together a great number of EXP parties over the years. An EXP party is:

• Generally a pick up group.
• It is maybe rude to leave it unannounced.
• It is rude to leech if you are expected to be pulling your weight.
• It is not an agreement to do whatever the Party Leader says because it is his/her party.
• People can leave parties if they don't like what the leader is doing.
• Party leaders can remove people they don't want in their party, and then recruit others to replace them.

People joined your random EXP party, probably from a shout in Ul'dah, they didn't elect you their moral compass.

[Reverser]

How exactly does one "steal your party members". I'm asking because I have put together a great number of EXP parties over the years. An EXP party is:

• Generally a pick up group.
• It is maybe rude to leave it unannounced.
• It is rude to leech if you are expected to be pulling your weight.
• It is not an agreement to do whatever the Party Leader says because it is his/her party.
• People can leave parties if they don't like what the leader is doing.
• Party leaders can remove people they don't want in their party, and then recruit others to replace them.

People joined your random EXP party, probably from a shout in Ul'dah, they didn't elect you their moral compass.

I like this response. Also, to OP, being on Selbina, you must have a really bad knack for picking parties. I have but once had a PL crammed down my throat. I expressed discontent, left, and found another party. It took all of 15 mins. I think you are over-stating your PL experiences.

[Physic]

Plvling is still broken, nothing stopping a 50 from claiming and linking mobs while in party then dropping group and aoeing

this is more trouble than its worth

[Aleczan]

How exactly does one "steal your party members". I'm asking because I have put together a great number of EXP parties over the years. An EXP party is:

• Generally a pick up group.
• It is maybe rude to leave it unannounced.
• It is rude to leech if you are expected to be pulling your weight.
• It is not an agreement to do whatever the Party Leader says because it is his/her party.
• People can leave parties if they don't like what the leader is doing.
• Party leaders can remove people they don't want in their party, and then recruit others to replace them.

People joined your random EXP party, probably from a shout in Ul'dah, they didn't elect you their moral compass.

Do you know it takes time and effort to look for members and put together a balanced party?

Yes?

Good.

Now look, someone took time and effort to make a party. After the party is finished, they go out to kill stuff.

Supposed a person who joined without doing any work in recruiting suddenly wanted to get PL'ed, and called their friend to come help PL.

Now, at least half of the party want to welcome PL, while the leader and just 1-2 friends want to continue playing normally.

The party now breaks into half, or 3:5. The 2 groups part ways.

The leader and 2 friends now cannot continue leveling up in that camp because it was originally chosen for a group of 8 people.

If you want to leave the party for a PL, then fine. Just notify the group you're going to leave, and then shout to recruit for your own members. Don't be a lazy ass and use the shortcut by taking other people's ready-made party. Wrecking someone else's party - a party that was doing good and getting EXP - is just rude.

And yeah people have free will to leave the party for whatever reason. But it's another story if you make use of other people, like slaving them to make a party for you without knowing, and then take their members, leaving them in the middle of nowhere.

Yes leader can replace members, but how are they suppose to recruit like, say, 5 members in the middle of EXP camp? Perhaps people in Ul'dah would miraculously see their shout from Camp Glory???

Maybe you're right, people have their own freewill and freedom. But it's against my moral standard to make use of other people's effort, break their party in half, and leave them stranded out there just because I have the FREEDOM to do so.

If you still don't understand what point we're making here, then I have nothing more to say. I tried my best.

[Mindx3]

Plvling is still broken, nothing stopping a 50 from claiming and linking mobs while in party then dropping group and aoeing

Quoting myself and adding 5-30 in 3 hours nuff said