Queueing As a Role, not a Class.

[MyaValentine]

Hopefully this is the right place for my thread.

It's more so an idea, or that if it's already been brought up - general information as to why it's not a thing.

So when queueing up in DF, I don't see why we can't queue as a role in general (i.e., tank, healer, dps[dd]), not locked down to a specific class. It's kind of implemented in Frontline, but not quite.
Frontline allows us to change to whatever class/role we want to, so if we get in without a healer, someone can change to a healer.

So why I find this to be useful - there may be negative affects from this, but I don't notice them yet.

Say we queue up as a AST to a raid like Alex, and there's another AST healer in the party - I personally DON'T like raiding with other AST's due to card overriding. I would love to have the option to change to SCH or WHM in the instance. Now note* we'd only be able to change our class out of battle - not during.

I don't see why this isn't a thing already - has it never been brought up before? If so, what were the reasonings that this couldn't be implemented into the game?

Hopefully I explained myself well enough, slightly distracted atm, so I tried to explain it my best.

[Bixillarla]

It would mess up the matching system. It tries not to pair you up with the same type of DPS for 4 mans and such. If you just made it by role instead of class it would through a wrench in the matching system.

[Toguro]

So basically DCUO.

And matchmaking there was terrible. Getting into games with all DPS or 3 tanks or something. Bad bad bad. Which is why Seal Rock isn't balanced because you can have teams with no healers.

The DFing is just fine as is. You will never have an imperfect teamthe current Duty Finder.

[SaitoHikari]

It would mess up the matching system. It tries not to pair you up with the same type of DPS for 4 mans and such. If you just made it by role instead of class it would through a wrench in the matching system.

The devs could split DPS into 'melee' and 'ranged' to try to alleviate this.

However, on the other side of the spectrum, I could see people giving others grief over not leveling other classes because they want the other person to switch away from the class they're using.

I think what would be a particularly good quality of life change is something completely different: Allow people to switch classes freely out of combat if someone leaves/is vote kicked and 5 minutes elapse without a replacement. That way instanced content doesn't basically automatically end the moment a tank or healer leaves, assuming someone present has a sufficiently leveled class of those roles.

[MyaValentine]

This.

No, with DCUO you can queue as whatever.
On here the idea would be locked down to 1 tank, 1 healer, 2 dps. And you can switch amongst the different healers/tanks/dps classes - not queue as a healer and then change to a DPS once in, no.
So as stated, if you queue as a WHM HEALER you can only be a healer, but not necessarily stuck to being a WHM, you can change to either AST, or SCH; but not permitted to change to a TANK or DPS class.
And idk what you're talking about the DF is fine as is, there's a lot of times I'll queue up and it'll be 2 sch's or 2 ast's along with 3 DRG's.
That isn't PERFECT.


But like I said, once more, in case it's confusing. I'm not saying queue up as a DPS and give us the option to change to Healer once inside. I'm saying allow queueing as a Role [DPS, Tank, OR Healer] instead or a specific class [DRG, WHM, PLD,...]. That way if I queue as a SCH and decided once inside I wanted to do the instance as a WHM, I can just change to WHM (STILL HEALER).

[Metalwrath]

Stupid idea to be honest.If you want certain roles you can just use pf and set the classes to join.
By implementing what you wanted it would Cause more issues in the long run to DF anyway for example.It would need to display all the jobs in that df.Then say you switch to pld because you see other guy is Warrior or something.But the Warrior switches to PLD because they saw you as Warrior and had same idea.
Even if it did it would just lead to narrowminded thinking to party compositions which is bad enough already due to raid metas being considered the only compositions to use.

[MyaValentine]

Poptart.

And then someone easily switches back to War, not that hard. Don't make it more complicated than it really is. Rather just queueing as a class, you queue as a roll - DPS, HEALER, TANK., the only problems there would really be, is problems someone creates himself, other than that it should always work out just as it does now (minus the few people who purposely create problems because that's what people do).
Here's something that happened to me the other day that made no sense, and this could've fixed it.

I set up my Ninja class on my bf's ps4 (I always play on my own PS4), and then queued up for a dungeon; forgot to put in my soul stone - and it was a 20 minute queue, so I'm not just gonna unqueue and requeue. I couldn't even go in as a ninja, I had to do it strictly as a Rogue - very annoying and makes no sense, it's virtually the same class.

[Hivernica]

I actually like the idea. If I queue as a scholar for let's say, Midas, and the other healer is also a scholar, I'd have no problem with switching to either white mage or astrologian. Same goes for tanks. For dps it might be tricky, but it could help when you get like, 4 bards and 1 other (or any other combination really) in the 24 man raids.