Token exchange for the Primal Birds

[Blossoms]

I really wish I could trade in 99 tokens for a bird I'm at about 185 Thordan kills and counting...

[Lambdafish]

I think this is a fine idea, but I really do not want it yet. only 99 runs means that a lot more people will get them which statistically means that it is a nerf, a nerf which should be saved for when the content begins to become irrelevant. In 2.55 SE made buffs to pony drop rates and on my server at least it revitalized the content because everyone was farming to get kirin, and I think that the token idea should be saved for at least 3.5 or even 3.55/4.0

[AsahinaMyLove]

I think this is a fine idea, but I really do not want it yet. only 99 runs means that a lot more people will get them which statistically means that it is a nerf, a nerf which should be saved for when the content begins to become irrelevant. In 2.55 SE made buffs to pony drop rates and on my server at least it revitalized the content because everyone was farming to get kirin, and I think that the token idea should be saved for at least 3.5 or even 3.55/4.0

lol at "only 99 runs"
People like me dont even care about this really broken rng stuff to get just 1 mount o_O
I wouldnt even do 5 runs, or even 1!

[DevilsDontFly]

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"Only 99 runs"? If you did run the same trial 99+ times and didn't get what you wanted there's an issue there. Problem is not even seeing the thing but someone gettin it but actually 99+ runs WITHOUT a single appearance of the loot. I've been farming for the Ravana bird for weeks, I managed to get all weapons for all my jobs with tokens only to see that bird drop once. Not to mention the times where I ventured on duty finder and Vote Abandon happened. Look at tank mounts: What makes people do that is because they know they will be rewarded for those 200 runs, that adds to the fun of it and you're not limited to the same duty. Listening to "PREPARE THYSELF!" two hundred times isn't. ):

[Jetstream_Fox]

I think this is a fine idea, but I really do not want it yet. only 99 runs means that a lot more people will get them which statistically means that it is a nerf, a nerf which should be saved for when the content begins to become irrelevant. In 2.55 SE made buffs to pony drop rates and on my server at least it revitalized the content because everyone was farming to get kirin, and I think that the token idea should be saved for at least 3.5 or even 3.55/4.0

Yes a nerf on mount drops that doesn't impact any gameplay. There was no reason for the drops to be so low in 2.0 and certainly not now in 3.0, the mounts aren't like the weapons which in some cases could be the best obtainable weapon at the time nor can we use the mounts as a companion. All the mounts are and will forever be is something that just stands out and say "Hey look at me my RNG was good today." We have a bad system, it needs to be reevaluated.

[Lambdafish]

only 99 runs

only 99 runs

Yes, only 99. Total. Ever. That isn't very many. Think about it this way, the gear is obsolete at this point and the only reason to run the content at all is for the mount, and if you get the mount (let's be hyperbolic and say they announce this and everyone grinds 99 runs in a week - thats ~14 runs per day) suddenly nobody is running the content anymore. The content is still classed as relevant content for the expansion, and once it's interest dwindles and we look towards the expansion, we will likely see this change.

Yes a nerf on mount drops that doesn't impact any gameplay. There was no reason for the drops to be so low in 2.0 and certainly not now in 3.0, the mounts aren't like the weapons which in some cases could be the best obtainable weapon at the time nor can we use the mounts as a companion. All the mounts are and will forever be is something that just stands out and say "Hey look at me my RNG was good today." We have a bad system, it needs to be reevaluated.

Let me start by clearing some air on this, whether it affects gameplay or not, you are not entitled to a RARE drop. Mounts are designed as an incentive to run the content regardless of how outdated the content is. RNG is a bad system, but it is the best system for extending the life span of content, because it keeps you running it potentially indefinitely. The alternative is gating, which you DEFINITELY do not want.

Final note: my original post said that I want this change, so I'm not disagreeing with it as a QoL change, only adding to it

[Jetstream_Fox]

Let me start by clearing some air on this, whether it affects gameplay or not, you are not entitled to a RARE drop. Mounts are designed as an incentive to run the content regardless of how outdated the content is. RNG is a bad system, but it is the best system for extending the life span of content, because it keeps you running it potentially indefinitely. The alternative is gating, which you DEFINITELY do not want.

Final note: my original post said that I want this change, so I'm not disagreeing with it as a QoL change, only adding to it

Let me give you a huge correction that seems many in this community don't get, you, me and any player is entitled to the option of obtaining gear, mounts and seasonal items this game has to offer if we're all putting in the work. The current RNG based system does exactly what you say you don't want, we already deal with RNG gates between relic weapons and even the kirin mount. It can stay a rare drop all it wants, but the devs need realize that excessive running of content isn't the proper way to revitalize content, it's a cheap gimmick that they put into place because they have no other solutions as to what to do at the current time.

[Lambdafish]

But the devs need realize that excessive running of content isn't the proper way to revitalize content, it's a cheap gimmick that they put into place because they have no other solutions as to what to do at the current time.

The problem with this is the same problem with weekly caps (and why they are there), which is that if people can get it done in one go, they will, and like I said, 99 runs is not much in the grand scheme of things (I haven't even been farming and I have 30-40 of some just lying around). I can see the devs improving the drop rate of the mount and then adding this, but I would expect (and hope) these changes coming in 3.45-3.55 at the earliest.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Let me give you a huge correction that seems many in this community don't get, you, me and any player is entitled to the option of obtaining gear, mounts and seasonal items this game has to offer if we're all putting in the work. The current RNG based system does exactly what you say you don't want, we already deal with RNG gates between relic weapons and even the kirin mount. It can stay a rare drop all it wants, but the devs need realize that excessive running of content isn't the proper way to revitalize content, it's a cheap gimmick that they put into place because they have no other solutions as to what to do at the current time.

That doesn't make you entitled to it. Primal pigeons, like their pony brethren, are meant to be bonus rewards, which differs from gear needed to actually complete content. You don't need them for anything except vanity. I'm not saying that's at all a bad reason though. What your asking for will inevitably diminish old trials. People who want these pigeons will farm Thordan, Ravana and Bismarck 99 times and never queue again unless they're doing roulettes. As frustrating as RNG can be, it guarantees people will keep doing content. The devs don't intend for you to grind Thordan EX 20-50+ times a day. They want you to pace yourself throughout the entire two year patch cycle so new players will always have people queuing. That's the real reason these mounts exist.

[TheGrimace]

Yes, only 99. Total. Ever. That isn't very many.

Look, no. You're wrong and that's a crazy way to look at it.

There's "rare" and then there's "unreasonable."