Token exchange for the Primal Birds

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

Dear SE, Please make the birds be able to be gotten with 99 tokens, so that later we can complain that 99 tokens is too much and should be reduced to 50.

In all seriousness though, i think these suggestions go against the reason they added the mounts into the trials in the first place. Which was to incentivize people to run the trials more than the x amount of times it takes to get the weapon. So the content doesn't become dead 8 weeks after it comes out. I really don't care one way or the other though.

Toward the end of the expansion they will increase the drop rate more than likely anyways. I don't think they WANT them to be easy to get right now.

[Derio]

I am just waiting for the drop rate to increase. The drop rate is way too low and then on top of that rolling against 7 other people for it.

Only 99 runs? Like thats a low number

[Ekimmak]

Honestly, I'm leaning towards some sort of guarantee to it, simply because farms always seem to fall apart after the first three runs that don't drop anything.

I have better things to do than sit around waiting for people to check party finder and decide "Yeah, I'll run that".

[AlphaFox]

Just throwing my 2 cents in but if I am actively looking to farm, I agree I am not going to look for newbies who want to clear it, I am going to hunt for those like mind people who know the fight all the way through and won't screw up. Its an incentive to keep running it, but not for newbies for the most part. Sure I may bring some along if they ask for the clear or I feel they can but if the intent is to farm birds, well newbies wait outside.

[Ovenmitts]

If they did what these people really want and add a token system for mounts, which I see the popular number is like 100 tokens, I would think that would do the opposite of what everyone expects. It would kill content faster! Think about it. FFXIV gates gear with the rat race tome farms every week. There's a reason they haven't increased the lore cap above a certain number because that would reduce the amount of time people need minimum in order to obtain gear. If all people needed was 100 tokens to get a lanner, most hardcores would have the content done within a few days tops. Then content would die even faster while we wait in between drought between patches. Even more so if the lanner drops in the instance before the 100 tokens.

If XIV had a different system to keep people logging in more often besides tomes, I'd definitely be open to it. The game really needs to get with it and give us more than two dungeons to occupy our time.

[Zojha]

If they did what these people really want and add a token system for mounts, which I see the popular number is like 100 tokens, I would think that would do the opposite of what everyone expects. It would kill content faster!

If you add the tokens to the drops? Yes. Because the guy who only had to run it once cannot be statistically compensated by the poor sod that never even saw the thing after 1000 runs (Both being statistical outliers, of course).
If you have the tokens substitute the drop? All that changes is that everyone needs to run it equally often, the average remains the same. Yay same effort for same reward!

And for items like these, you can even go super fancy and hide the tokens, substituting them with a hidden counter in the background that will force drop the item after X amount of runs - but only for you. That way, you even get the satisfaction of getting the item directly, instead of from the vendor.

[Stormfur]

I really wish they'd just increase the drop rate when they release new mounts like this. Not quite to the level of the primal ponies right out of the gate, but something more than the seemingly .000001% chance we have now.

[TaurielKyudo]

I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for an end goal. I've been doing bird farms at least once a week every week since these dropped. I only have 88 totems for bis, and 42 for rav. Why? Because farm parties, even if they are good and you are doing bis in 5 mins, only last max about 10 runs. And sometimes even fewer, especially if were talking rav, where people still don't understand the fight and eventually disband. Not to mention just getting a party together. It's just a little disheartening to actually see a bird drop, lose it, and then not see one again for many runs. I would even vote for 200 totems to exchange if you guys are that worried about the longevity of the content. But at least if I don't get my bird in any of those, I could work towards something. And for those who have been saying once you get it you just stop doing content...not really. My friend got his bis bird luckily in his first few tries farming, and he's been helping us try and get ours ever since. So that logic isn't really there. People will still do it. As someone mentioned earlier, there's still plenty of pony farms out there. I just want a pretty bird, is that so much to ask? T.T

[Welsper59]

I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for an end goal. I've been doing bird farms at least once a week every week since these dropped. I only have 88 totems for bis, and 42 for rav. Why? Because farm parties, even if they are good and you are doing bis in 5 mins, only last max about 10 runs. And sometimes even fewer, especially if were talking rav, where people still don't understand the fight and eventually disband. Not to mention just getting a party together. It's just a little disheartening to actually see a bird drop, lose it, and then not see one again for many runs. I would even vote for 200 totems to exchange if you guys are that worried about the longevity of the content. But at least if I don't get my bird in any of those, I could work towards something. And for those who have been saying once you get it you just stop doing content...not really. My friend got his bis bird luckily in his first few tries farming, and he's been helping us try and get ours ever since. So that logic isn't really there. People will still do it. As someone mentioned earlier, there's still plenty of pony farms out there. I just want a pretty bird, is that so much to ask? T.T

It's definitely not unreasonable of a request. While longevity of a given form of content is probably a bit of a concern, it's generally not the overall point with optional vanity goods. What a lot of people are overlooking is the format. RNG has and will always be a method to (some) content and rewards in RPGs, MMOs, and MMORPGs. The more optional and rare that something is, the more likely it will be met with RNG. Its rarity is strictly dependent on the devs and what they believe the value of said item should be.

Some people luck out with something rare very early, others can spend months or years. That luck is its own reward in games that derive part of its pleasure through RNG, akin to the pleasure found in gambling. So to answer your question, for now, yes... asking for a pretty bird to be quantified in an MMORPG is obviously too much to ask. Well not to "ask" for, but rather to expect. You can ask all you want, and hopefully you'll get it someday. For now though, you shouldn't expect it to be that "easy" (as in quantified expectations easy).

These days, that ease should be expected out of otherwise necessary goods though. We're assured high tier gear through tokens/currency at a 100% acquisition chance, combined with raids that are guaranteed to drop equips (where the only RNG is what equips drop). Given how that guaranteed drop rate isn't exactly traditional with SE games (e.g. old FFXI), I'd say we're in a decent spot as far as expectations go. Who knows, maybe it'll become normal to quantify everything at some point and remove RNG entirely. That'd be an interesting development.

[SoloNightlock]

Appaeantly i'm just a lucky #!÷hole cuz i got my yhordan mount on clear number 9 @_@