Haurchefant's Mother

[Airias]

Thank you Atoli! *edited*

Okay before the raping/whoring is blown up any further, let me clarify I only said "I wouldn't put it past him" - I'm not saying Aymeric was conceived against the will of the mother, or even that it is likely, but that Thordan doesn't care if other people suffer from his actions (as Rosenoire pointed out, not even for his son) or is in another self-serving delusion about them.

This might have been different at another time, and yes, there is a certain similarity in the eyes of father and son that indicates Thordan must've been handsome in his younger days, and probably very charismatic if he made it to the position of Archbishop. There sure were a few women that fancied him, and to imagine a lowly noblewoman thought she'd get something better out of an affair with the Archbishop than out of an arranged marriage is not that hard.

So the range of circumstances under which Aymeric could have been conceived is rather large and doesn't give us any better clue about who his mother was or how he was brought up.



On Thordan's motives, I'm sure he is a complex character and his choices were no easy ones, but the choices he made in the end, playing safe and having the majority of his people suffer, as well as having his own son tortured, tells us he was corrupted by his power and had little feelings for Aymeric.

Their tries to persuade the other of their views were not born out or respect or trust, but necessity and a false hope in their blood relation. Aymeric saw what a good father looked like when he spent more time with the Fortemps, hoping his father would think as much of him as Edmont thought of Haurchefant. Thordan thought his flesh and blood would think like him, and was completely deaf to his arguments. If there had been any value for his son, he would have listened and given his son's views a thought, but he simply dismissed them. In their actions, they showed how little they knew each other.

In the end, Aymeric had little problem having his father killed, just as Thordan had had no problem having his son tortured.

[Phyllo]

Now that you say it, I don't recall Aymeric ever mentioning the death of his father in a personal way, only like it was some trivial detail or that it was only a step toward his ideals of peace, like a stranger in other words.

[Rosenoire]

And now we know that Aymeric's last name is de Borel. Which suggests that his mother was a noblewoman who was quickly married off after she turned up pregnant.

[Airias]

The name never turned up before, did it?

Let's hope giving him a last name means the devs have planned some more insight on that family history, and maybe also in the family history of the Fortemps.

[PArcher]

For some reason "de Borel" is ringing a really annoying bell I can't quite reach to stop. It may be something not related to the game I'm thinking of, but its really shrill and annoying...

[Alice_89th]

For some reason "de Borel" is ringing a really annoying bell I can't quite reach to stop.

I have the same problem but all my googling has returned nothing.

The only thing I get from it is that it sounds like the name of a noble family (all the other nobles get "de <last name>" eg: Artoirel de Fortemps, Stephanivien de Haillenarte) suggesting that his mother came from a noble house. However so far I've only seen that 'de' used for the four great houses, I have no idea whether lesser houses follow the same naming principles.

Even so, I find it interesting that his same seems to indicate he is of nobility because 1. I assumed his mother would be base born and 2. this would suggest that his mother recognised him as her son or otherwise he would have had a bastard name (like Haurchefant). If his mother has been married of in the meantime it might even take her current husband to legitimise him as son for him to use that name. I am so very confused right now.


(or his name just sounds a lot like 'morel')

[Anonymoose]

For some reason "de Borel" is ringing a really annoying bell I can't quite reach to stop.

I have the same problem but all my googling has returned nothing.

Were you ever proud citizens of San d'Oria?

[Cipher_Zaabiz]

Aymeric's mother must at least be from lower royalty since he was a knight alongside the azure Dragoon.

[Rocl]

Aymeric's mother must at least be from lower royalty since he was a knight alongside the azure Dragoon.

Eh? Weren't the days when Aymeric and Estinien served together before the latter's appointment as Azure Dragoon?

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...5short_stories

As in, they were both Temple Knights at the time. Any able bodied Ishgardian is able to become a Temple Knight (though it does sound easier to get in via the recommendation of a noble rather than winning a melee tournament)