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    J'talhdi Belhi
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    Quote Originally Posted by l---------------l View Post
    Scholar can place dots and spread while fairy heals. WHM's holy can stun so the regens heal.... AST's gravity can... Uhm... Eh.... Oh shit.
    That can be applied to any class though. AST can buff with cards, SCH have Selene, WHM can.... Uhm... Eh... Oh shit.

    See my point? Not everyone shares the same strengths. If they did the classes would just end up homogenised. WHM have the strongest potential Healing output and powerful DPS and AoE but lack much in the way of mitigation tools and group buffs. SCH excel in Mitgation, have strong dps and have some mitigation tools to offer but have limited actual sustained healing output, particularly with AoE healing. ASTs can almost be as good as WHMs with healing or SCH with Mitigation and still retain some decent mitigation even without the Nocturnal Sect and they have a very potent set of buffs but are inferior in offensive options to the other two.

    Id also point out that Gravity has two things over Holy. One, it can be targeted so you don't have to run into melee to cast it and two, its cheaper to cast.
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    Iroira Sinzha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belhi View Post
    Id also point out that Gravity has two things over Holy. One, it can be targeted so you don't have to run into melee to cast it and two, its cheaper to cast.
    As a healer I don't like that. Good thing about playing SCH and WHM is that I can actually take a time to Cleric Stance without dropping my target from the tank to use my Holy (or to cast a quick Shadowflare) and quickly switch back for an emergency heal. With AST it gets a bit complicated as you don't have anything as powerful as Tetra/Benediction or Lustrate x3. DPSing as an AST is a bit risky but it's rewarding, at least to me as I can DPS better as a WHM or SCH, makes sense though as they don't have all those buff.

    But I'd like to have some sort of high damage on Celestial Opposition since WHM have a 300 potency burst with assize, plus healing and maga regen on the same skill.
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    Kana Hisashi
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly View Post
    As a healer I don't like that. Good thing about playing SCH and WHM is that I can actually take a time to Cleric Stance without dropping my target from the tank to use my Holy (or to cast a quick Shadowflare) and quickly switch back for an emergency heal. With AST it gets a bit complicated as you don't have anything as powerful as Tetra/Benediction or Lustrate x3. DPSing as an AST is a bit risky but it's rewarding, at least to me as I can DPS better as a WHM or SCH, makes sense though as they don't have all those buff.

    But I'd like to have some sort of high damage on Celestial Opposition since WHM have a 300 potency burst with assize, plus healing and maga regen on the same skill.
    I can usually do that quite easily on AST just Essential Dignity with aspected benefic/benefic II. Essential dignity is every bit as good a panic button as lustrate/benediction because of how fast AST's cast times are (especially on diurnal)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crescents View Post
    I can usually do that quite easily on AST just Essential Dignity with aspected benefic/benefic II. Essential dignity is every bit as good a panic button as lustrate/benediction because of how fast AST's cast times are (especially on diurnal)
    I tend to do that too now that I'm used to it but I can see it being quite the struggle to DPS a big pull on AST and save the tank at the last minute compared to WHM and SCH. But I think Lightspeed kinda makes up for it, as a 10s swiftcast can be really OP on the heavy-heals department. I just wish I could have other sources of damage, although I'm satisfied with AST's current state, but I wouldn't mind some small changes or a little buff.
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    Darkmoon Vael
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly View Post
    As a healer I don't like that. Good thing about playing SCH and WHM is that I can actually take a time to Cleric Stance without dropping my target from the tank to use my Holy (or to cast a quick Shadowflare) and quickly switch back for an emergency heal. With AST it gets a bit complicated as you don't have anything as powerful as Tetra/Benediction or Lustrate x3. DPSing as an AST is a bit risky but it's rewarding, at least to me as I can DPS better as a WHM or SCH, makes sense though as they don't have all those buff.

    But I'd like to have some sort of high damage on Celestial Opposition since WHM have a 300 potency burst with assize, plus healing and maga regen on the same skill.
    With AST you have synastry>aspected benefic>swiftcast>Aspected helios>collective unconscious>time dilation on the hots. Nothing else is needed to ehal the tank whilst you gravity spam. The mobs will die before the hots wear off. Next pull is just aspected benefic+helios and gravity soam, but them you have essential dignity and lightspeed to help with the stance dancing healing. Pull after is same as first and so on. You also use LA and celestial opposition during these pulls when needed, and obviously celestial opposition stunns for enough time for more dps or more healing . Once you get this style of play down right, dpsing on AST becomes incredibly easy.

    As for slow on gravity, i am not sure it will be worth it on a spammable skill due to diminishing returns. Its works on shadowflare due to it being a placeable ground aoe.
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    Last edited by DarkmoonVael; 05-29-2016 at 06:00 PM.