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    Lawl, all caps?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian_ View Post
    This is your core problem. You are saying DF is something it is not. When you queue for a roulette, YOU STILL HAVE THE OPTION TO LEAVE WITH A 30 MINUTE PENALTY. THAT IS WHAT A ROULETTE IS.
    In my quote I was using "roulette" literally, but I apologize for not making that clear. In other words, a game of chance where you dont know what you are going to get.

    As it pertains to the actual in game roulette, who are you to define what it is?
    When you look at how SE built the system, they imposed a "penalty" for leaving. Note that a "penalty" is a "punishment" that results from "breaking a rule". In other words by leaving your party, you "break a rule" SE made. Breaking rules, especially ones that negatively impact other people, is not generally considered to be socially acceptable. All I am saying is should you leave with a penalty, that action is considered selfish.

    WHEN YOU DON'T QUEUE AS A TANK, YOU RUN THE RISK THAT YOU GET A "BAD" TANK. THE "BAD" TANK DIDN'T FORCE YOU TO TAKE THAT RISK. YOU MADE THAT DECISION. GET THAT INTO YOUR HEAD.[/B]
    That does not absolve you from personal liability. If I schedule a meeting in real life that requires Person X to be there and Person X agrees to be there, I still run the risk of Person X not following through. However, Person X is still liable for not showing. He cant turn around and be like: "Well, whenever you schedule a meeting, you risk people not showing, so it's your fault I didn't show."

    Do you believe people who take negative actions against other people should be held accountable for anything? Or in your opinion, are the negatively impacted people always the liable party for putting themselves in situation were they could be negatively impacted?

    I am not liable for his decision to not queue as a tank himself. He took that risk.
    While true, you are still liable for the action of abandoning your group.

    Look at this problem both logically and realistically:
    * SE imposed a "penalty" for leaving.
    * A penalty is a punishment that results from break a rule
    * When you leave a group, you receive a penalty because you are breaking a rule.
    * It is generally considered socially unacceptable for someone to break rules that negatively impact other people.

    You are accountable for your own actions. I would love to hear your next excuse as to why the system or your party members are actually the responsible parties.....

    I am also a part of that party. So, when they force me to do something I don't want to do, they are negatively impacting part of the party.
    They literally cannot do that. Tell me how anyone in your party can realistically force you to stay. They probably dont even know you are going to leave until you've already done it.



    And you don't lack empathy for not understanding the tank's situation? That's why you're a hypocrite
    The logic is bad because it supports both of our arguments.
    For example, endless loop:
    You to me: You are not empathizing with me; therefore, you have no right to criticize me.
    Me to you: You are not empathizing with me; therefore, you have no right to criticize me.

    I have admitted the behavior is selfish yet you think I haven't. I am pointing out that the same selfishness also exists on the other side.
    You admit to the action, but take you no responsibility for it. You believe you are justified 'because' you believe that selfishness exists on the other side. However, see the above point for why your definition of selfishness is irrational.

    And one final shot across the bow. SE has announced the rewards from ARF are tripling. I wonder why. Could it possibly be that they also acknowledge how stupid it is that the run is twice as long with far worse rewards than the alternatives? HMMMMMM.......................
    Yep! However, this is not justification for leaving. You spin a roulette wheel and it lands on a prize of lesser value than the others. Regardless, you are the one who spun the wheel. You are the one chose to fill the 'Tank role' for the party. And you are the person who broke both your commitment and SE's established rule.

    THOSE ARE YOUR WORDS.
    Yep!
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    Last edited by winsock; 06-04-2016 at 10:12 PM.