What can I do to stop this?

[Brian_]

Said...

The choice everyone makes is the same. You make that choice when you queue for DF. It's the acceptance that you get what you get and if you don't like it, you can leave. That isn't restricted only to the scenario where you don't get a dungeon you want to do. This is the age old scenario where you see a horrible DPS player, try to "educate" them, and you get the often parodied remark that you don't pay their sub so you don't get to tell them what to do. The obvious counter to that argument is that they also don't get to stop you from trying to vote-kick them out of the group or leaving the group yourself.

Such is my point. Everyone is entitled to their own piece of the pie in relation to the overall system. You aren't entitled to someone else's pie. If you don't queue as a tank, you don't get to tell the tank what to do. You can't be a horribly toxic player and then stop the team from kicking you. You make a decision and you live with the consequences.

If you want to apply an added social penalty and label them as selfish, go ahead. I'm just saying that it's hypocritical not to see that there is also selfishness on the other side in demanding someone yield to your will. I'm also saying that there is a deeper conflict in determining what you label as selfish based only on your own biases. For example, if a tank left a group because they were getting relentlessly harassed, would you still consider it selfish? If someone leaves a group because the DPS is just afk-auto-attacking, are they selfish for not carrying that group? If you queue as a PLD because you want to play PLD or as any DPS class other than SMN, are you being selfish when you waste the party's time? When you queue as a healer and get a tank that is wearing full STR gear, refuses to turn on their tank stance or use dCDs, and pulls everything he possibly can in one go, are you selfish when you leave? All these are also examples of someone just wanting to enjoy the game within their rights.

In my very first post, I already outlined the criteria I use. I said that I try not to leave if there is a green-leaf or bonus (even if I don't care for the bonus). So, by extension, I obviously do consider their circumstances. However, by my conclusion, if you aren't there because you're new or need to clear it, then you're probably there for the exact same reason I am -- to farm something. At that point, you're in the TC's boat and I've made my argument for that situation rather clear.