What can I do to stop this?

[Brian_]

LOL, was wondering why nobody seemed to like you. I had to read back a little ways to find it but wow...

What you are actually saying here is that your time is more valuable than everyone else's. You won't win any friends with that attitude. I don't know how to make you realize that, but assuming you've made it this far along in life without that lesson... prepare yourself for a lonely adulthood.

Reading comprehension is obviously not the strong suit of the users of this forum.

I am hardly saying my time has any more value than someone else's. I am saying that everyone has the right to enjoy the game within their individual rights. Others are making the suggestion that once you sign up for a roulette, you forfeit your freedom and the right to decide to leave.

And it's hilarious you imply adulthood is somehow different when real life is all about the interactions between individual rights and the compromises we make or don't.

[Red_Wolf]

Reading comprehension is obviously not the strong suit of the users of this forum.

I am hardly saying my time has any more value than someone else's. I am saying that everyone has the right to enjoy the game within their individual rights. Others are making the suggestion that once you sign up for a roulette, you forfeit your freedom and the right to decide to leave.

And it's hilarious you imply adulthood is somehow different when real life is all about the interactions between individual rights and the compromises we make or don't.

And you insult rather than opening your mind a little bit. You are special.

Other people may have waited a significant amount of time for the duty finder to pop. They are ready to run whatever and whenever to get their reward done. But you on a whim decided you're too good to help those people run the instance that you signed up for, therefore you are saying that your time is more valuable than theirs. Now because of your selfishness all those people lost their spot in the queue and have to sign up again at the bottom of the list. Actions speak louder than words. You don't have to say your time is more valuable. You are just acting as if your time is more valuable. Let me clue you in on something... it's not.

[winsock]

Your reason for queuing originates from personal gain, farming tomestones, rather than as a by product of an urge for a good shared experience / a fulfilling run for your party-mates.

Full disclosure the argument I thought you were going to make is not the one you made; however, the argument you decided to make is much more flimsy.

Your grouping 2 different decisions together rather than treating them separately
* One is the decision to join queue
* The other is deciding whether or not to leave after the duty starts.

To be clear, no one is judging you for your decision to join queue, or your reasons for wanting to queue.

You're getting critism for the decision of leaving the group.

You clearly prioritize your own tomestones and time over the will of the leaver. SURPRISE! Their motive for leaving is probably the same!

As for what's not selfish -- doing anything with the primary goal of accommodating others.

You assumptions are wrong about my motivations. I stay in the party to accommodate others. I critize you in an attempt to help you realize your actions are not considered socially acceptable.

The final issue with your logic is the justification of your selfishness. You try to justify your actions stating that other people are selfish. This not only is a huge assumption about the motivations of other players, but it does not make your behavior any less unwarranted.

[Brian_]

Full disclosure the argument I thought you were going to make is not the one you made; however, the argument you decided to make is much more flimsy.

Your grouping 2 different decisions together rather than treating them separately
* One is the decision to join queue
* The other is deciding whether or not to leave after the duty starts.

To be clear, no one is judging you for your decision to join queue, or your reasons for wanting to queue.

Yea, my arguments are so flimsy that you have to resort to twisting the narrative and still fail to present any type of counter argument. Instead you try to re-frame the argument into something different to try and claim some type of meaningless moral victory.

From my very first post in topic, nobody has confused this point and yet now you are trying to split them up. From very early on, people were attacking and judging the decision to queue with the purpose of tome efficiency and misconstruing the very nature of DF -- including you. So no, a lot of people are judging my decision to queue and the reasons for wanting to queue. How you missed this is bewildering. Just go back and read any of the long rants about my apparent "misuse" of the mentor roulette.

The final issue with your logic is the justification of your selfishness. You try to justify your actions stating that other people are selfish. This not only is a huge assumption about the motivations of other players, but it does not make your behavior any less unwarranted.

If you were actually accommodating to people, you would see someone who really doesn't want to run a specific dungeon and let them be. As I've said and repeated, people queue for DF with different motivations. If the goals of the group don't align, then that's too bad and you can only deal with it.

Also, within the context of my original post, it was not an assumption. It was a fact. The TC was queuing with the purpose of farming tomestones for his relic. I am not saying that any behavior is above criticism. I am saying that it is hypocritical to criticize one form of selfishness while endorsing another form of selfishness as if you're some innocent saint. As Nyghtmarerobu said, sometimes you just need to get over yourself, acknowledge that's how things are, and move on. Two wrongs don't make a right but criticizing one wrong while you are guilty of the same wrong and utterly blind to that fact makes you a massive hypocrite. That is what I've been saying.

[Brian_]

And you insult rather than opening your mind a little bit. You are special.

I criticize because it's deserved. You jump into a topic without reading the actual posts and then sling out judgements and insults, then are shocked when people question your ability to read?

You're right, actions speak louder than words. It's just convenient you discount the actions that don't fit your narrative. If you read and understood the extents of the discussion, you would know that I also queue as a healer / DPS (all my jobs are at 60) and also have had my tanks leave. Clearly I think my time is more valuable than theirs because I went out of my way to shame them and go beyond the existing system of penalization... oh wait... I didn't. I take it in stride and just requeue. Why? Because I understand that my time is not more valuable than someone else's. I don't get to say my time is so much more valuable than someone else's that I have some societal right to judge and shame people for exercising their right to play a game how they wish to and change a system SE has said they are fine with.

But yea, actions speak louder than words. I wonder how your actions speak. The action of judging someone without even bothering to fully understand what they're saying. The action of lying and slandering someone based on ignorance and bias.

[Red_Wolf]

But yea, actions speak louder than words. I wonder how your actions speak. The action of judging someone without even bothering to fully understand what they're saying. The action of lying and slandering someone based on ignorance and bias.

Imagine you agreed to meet your friends downtown. You agreed to pick them up and drive them. The day gets closer and the majority of your friends pick a place to go. You arrive to pick them up, they get into the car, and you head downtown. They in turn say we picked "Hooters" because it's delightfully tacky. Instead of giving them the decency of a reply... you stop the car, kick them out, and speed off. The night is cancelled. Your friends are hungry and have no way to get home.

Yes I judge you. You agree to help people and turn your back on them when it inconveniences you. There's no arguing your way out of that.

[HoodRat]

Your friends are hungry and have no way to get home.

And then they magically teleport home half an hour before the person who drove off gets there because that's what it's like when you leave a dungeon after someone else already has. Or someone randomly throws open their car door to let them in and continue on with the night shortly after they are kicked out of the first car. Your analogy is terrible for leaving a dungeon in df.

You agree to help people and turn your back on them when it inconveniences you. There's no arguing your way out of that.

I don't remember signing a contract stating that every time I use df, I'm there to help/carry people.

[Red_Wolf]

I don't remember signing a contract stating that every time I use df, I'm there to help/carry people.

Then you don't understand multiplayer gaming.