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    Matthias Gendrin
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    Cactuar
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian_ View Post
    I go in knowing there is the possibility that I won't get a good run and that there is a 30 minute penalty in addition to screwing over everyone else in the instance in the event I should choose to leave.
    Fixed that for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian_ View Post
    That is the full description of the system. And, despite knowing the current state of DF, SE has recently said that they feel the penalty is appropriate and have no plans to change it. What many other people here are doing is applying a layer of white knighting and social-justice-pursuits based on personal biases onto the existing system. Given who they are and their other posting tendencies, I can't say I'm surprised.
    Do you always deflect this way when you're called on your egocentric views and actions? Calling people "white knights" who are making legitimate counterpoints does nothing to address the point itself, and is an ad hominem fallacy. Point being, you can't effectively counter an argument by calling the people who are making that argument "white knights" or "social justice bozos" (to be polite).

    Now, you're suggesting that the system ought to define behavior, and the community shouldn't police itself some; am I getting that right? It's hard to read what you're actually saying when you layer it behind angst that people are telling you that you're contributing to the problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian_ View Post
    Unlike these over righteous people I don't presume to tell someone how to play this game. There are times I've queued as a healer or DPS and had a tank leave. If it's not a run that's likely to get a replacement, I leave and re-queue. At worst it's a 15 minute wait for a leveling roulette queue as a DPS. Big deal.
    You cannot assume that your experiences are universal. While it may only be 15 minutes for you, there may be other circumstances that have lead to longer time lost for other players (say they're queueing specifically for ARF for the Eso bonus, or a specific dungeon in the 50 roulette because they want the gear for glamour - they're going to have a bad time simply because you decided that your desire to not do that dungeon is more important than their desire to do it). Furthermore, you're saying that your desire to drop will result in up to 15 minutes of waiting for those people if they decide to leave--three or seven other people who your selfishness has cost fifteen minutes. It adds up. If efficiency really is the name of the game (as you claim), then leaving a dungeon at the outset is arbitrarily introducing inefficiency to their gameplay.

    But why should you care? They're not you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian_ View Post
    But really, if this is the stance people want to have, then okay. I assume that any time you encounter anyone that isn't playing this game the "right" way, you also pick up your keyboard and club them with it. I assume you will spend 60 minutes anytime you queue into a Ramuh EX through mentor roulette trying to teach people how to pass a DPS check or handle priority mechanics. I assume that any time you encounter a DPS not playing their class optimally or a healer not DPSing, you make it your mission to fix them. I assume that anytime you see someone without materia melded in your gear you take a dump on them.
    Nice Strawman, there, with a slight bit of argumentum ad absurdum. You're really giving a great showcase of logical fallacies. I should show this to my high school debate teacher, because he'd get a kick out of it. There's a large difference between arguing on a forum for how things should be and how players ought to behave and being an asshole.

    But there is one point I must address; the Mentor Roulette EXISTS SO YOU, WHO HAVE EXPERIENCE, CAN HELP THOSE WHO DO NOT. That was the goal of the whole mentor system. And you're arguing that, because the system doesn't do enough to discourage quitting, you should not follow through on what was the original goal and live up to that "mentor" status, and should ruin the experience of new players. You should enter that roulette to help people, and when you can't be bothered to do that, you might as well not even queue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian_ View Post
    In the meanwhile, I'll just live and let live and let people enjoy the game how they want to even if sometimes it comes at a slight inconvenience to myself.
    Way to try and make yourself look good, there. If only you hadn't argued in favor of piss-poor player behavior and crappy, selfish attitudes, it might be believable.
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    Last edited by Jpec07; 06-02-2016 at 11:05 PM. Reason: Added 'should' because technical foul
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