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    Player Brian_'s Avatar
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    I go in knowing there is the possibility that I won't get a good run and that there is a 30 minute penalty in the event I should choose to leave.

    That is the full description of the system. And, despite knowing the current state of DF, SE has recently said that they feel the penalty is appropriate and have no plans to change it. What many other people here are doing is applying a layer of white knighting and social-justice-pursuits based on personal biases onto the existing system. Given who they are and their other posting tendencies, I can't say I'm surprised.

    Unlike these over righteous people I don't presume to tell someone how to play this game. There are times I've queued as a healer or DPS and had a tank leave. If it's not a run that's likely to get a replacement, I leave and re-queue. At worst it's a 15 minute wait for a leveling roulette queue as a DPS. Big deal.

    But really, if this is the stance people want to have, then okay. I assume that any time you encounter anyone that isn't playing this game the "right" way, you also pick up your keyboard and club them with it. I assume you will spend 60 minutes anytime you queue into a Ramuh EX through mentor roulette trying to teach people how to pass a DPS check or handle priority mechanics. I assume that any time you encounter a DPS not playing their class optimally or a healer not DPSing, you make it your mission to fix them. I assume that anytime you see someone without materia melded in your gear you take a dump on them.

    In the meanwhile, I'll just live and let live and let people enjoy the game how they want to even if sometimes it comes at a slight inconvenience to myself.
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    Last edited by Brian_; 05-30-2016 at 11:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian_ View Post
    I go in knowing there is the possibility that I won't get a good run and that there is a 30 minute penalty in the event I should choose to leave.

    That is the full description of the system. And, despite knowing the current state of DF, SE has recently said that they feel the penalty is appropriate and have no plans to change it. What many other people here are doing is applying a layer of white knighting and social-justice-pursuits based on personal biases onto the existing system. Given who their other posting tendencies, I can't say I'm surprised.
    We aren't saying you can't, we're just attempting to help you see past any delusions you may have. From a social standpoint, it isnt desirable behavior and is considered selfish, while the OP's behavior is considered acceptable.

    Unlike these over righteous people I don't presume to tell someone how to play this game.
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    In the meanwhile, I'll just live and let live and let people enjoy the game how they want to even if sometimes it comes at a slight inconvenience to myself.
    ^ this is what ppl have a problem with. You certainly are NOT displaying "live and let live" behaviors and you shouldn't kid yourself. You may not be "telling" ppl how to play the game, but you are "forcing" them to play the way you want them to i.e. without a tank, waiting for a tank, or re-queuing altogether. You're negatively impacting the party for personal gain. That is not "Live and Let live"
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    Last edited by winsock; 05-30-2016 at 11:56 PM.

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    Player Brian_'s Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by winsock View Post
    ^ this is what ppl have a problem with. You certainly are NOT displaying "live and let live" behaviors and you shouldn't kid yourself. You may not be "telling" ppl how to play the game, but you are "forcing" them to play the way you want them to i.e. without a tank, waiting for a tank, or re-queuing altogether. You're negatively impacting the party for personal gain. That is not "Live and Let live"
    No, it's you who doesn't understand what that means. What it means is that I'll live my life, and you live yours. I can make my own judgements about when I want to leave a group and when you make that same judgement about leaving a group, I won't hold it against you. I'm free to do what I want and so are you. You quite literally do not know what that statement means.

    What's happening here is the opposite of that mentality. It's a bunch of judgemental, vindictive, self-righteous pettiness and people telling others that if they don't do exactly what they want, they're wrong. It's a bunch of people applying their own subjective standards to what is acceptable behavior, what is selfish play, and what is okay according to their morals.

    When I queue into a group and a DPS is doing 200 DPS and watching net flix on the side, my mentality is "you do what you will but don't fault me when I drop group." Your mentality suggests that I am obligated to carry the run. And, before you suggest that's a different situation, it's only different because you deem it so. These are all forms of selfishness. You are picking and choosing what to support and punish. I'm saying that you just let it be and allow things to resolve themselves through the exercising of individual rights -- rights that you are trying to take away from people.
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    Last edited by Brian_; 05-31-2016 at 02:21 AM.