What can I do to stop this?

[Seku]

, learn to play it and gear up just to get the anima weapon for the class I want to play? Please help me tank community, why is my experience with tank players in this game so awful?

Hunts, maps, or beast tribe quests. - You don't have to do roulette or dungeons. I actually would look into hunts instead if you can get a small group together, the poetics and seals from the original areas basically would have you working on two items at once.

[winsock]

You're saying that the 30-minute leaver penalty is not sufficient punishment in the case of deliberate leavers and thus need to apply your own laws based on shaming people.
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And to say leaving a dungeon is the equivalent of cheating is hilarious. No, it's not.

My argument is that there are social consequences for behavior. I said nothing about changing game mechanic. I said you're being selfish and childish.

I can provide other examples for you to help you understand. If you don't think infidelity fits because of the severity, how about plain old lying? If you embrace dishonesty, you shouldn't be surprised if ppl disapprove of that behavior and no longer trust you.

Or what if you're someone who breaks a lot of commitments? If you frequently tell your significant other / parent / room mate that you will complete chore X and failed to complete said chore on several occasions, you shouldn't need surprised if they consider you to be unreliable.

Or in this situation: if you consistently treat people without any consideration for their wants, needs, and emotions, you shouldn't be surprised if you're labeled as "selfish".

And to be clear, I'm not complaining about anything. I'm pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of a bunch of SJWs on an internet forum. You slander me for wasting other people's time but you yourself have undoubtedly wasted countless hours of other people's time in other ways.

The hypocrisy you are seeing is a delusion, but you are unable to see that because you are not considering the feelings of other people.
* Ppl come to forums to browse, read, and participate in discussions.
* Ppl queue in the DF to be paired with a team to try to work throw group-based content.
^ if you consider other people, you'll notice that you are denying them what they expected to receive, solely because you didn't get what you wanted from a "roulette", which is childish.

However, if you completely remove empathy from the above, you'd get your logic:
* Reading takes time.
* Re-queuing takes time.
Hypocrisy!!!!!!!!!

[Brian_]

Like I pointed out in my first post, all sides in this are guilty of being selfish. The fact is you are calling out the selfishness of some while excusing the selfishness of others. Everyone is in it for their own goals. My stance this entire time is that people will be selfish. The most you can do is hope that your goals align. And, like I detailed in my first post, the current roulette system doesn't exactly help ensure that your goals will align.

And within this topic, there are numerous other issues people have brought up that fit with this idea. Eating while doing a dungeon run and thus not playing optimally? How exactly is it not selfish to expect others to accommodate that? But, at the end of the day, if you want to express that selfishness, you are fully within your rights to do so. All I am saying is that the other party members are equally entitled to express their selfishness and kick you or drop the duty.

You call it childish. I'd say the mature approach is to take things in stride, understand the give-and-take of social interactions rather than being a judgemental and over-righteous SJW, and not get caught up in the blame and shame game.

As for your other examples, they're not worth addressing as they're just as hysterically inaccurate as your older ones. The sooner you expand your perspective, the sooner you will realize how flawed they are. When I have a falling out with someone, my first reaction is not to call them a sack of selfish, childish crap. It's to understand that our paths simply couldn't align.

As for your final point, the basis is flawed. People queue into DF for various reasons. To assume you are the judge of everything and everyone is beyond presumptuous. But, given your holier than thou posting history, it's not surprising that you are on that high-horse. Take the Castrums for example. Some are in there to actually experience the story. Some are in there to just progress their MSQ. Some are in there to farm tomestones. The different groups have conflicting goals. At the end of the day, all you can hope and expect is for the people who want a fast run to push for a fast run in their own way while the people who want to enjoy the story can hopefully do that. If a cut-scene gets skipped due to clearing too fast, that's too bad. If your run is not as fast as you want because a few people are watching cutscenes, that's too bad. If you can't deal with it, make your own group of individuals with shared goals.

The only thing guaranteed about a DF queue is that nothing is guaranteed outside of your ability to leave with a 30 minute penalty. You are trying to twist that FACT for the sake of argument. If you don't want to deal with a tank leaving, queue as a tank or find a tank who is willing to stay and queue with them.

You are quite literally blasting leavers for not wanting to deal with RNG and then turning around to defend people who don't want to deal with the RNG of getting a tank who leaves. They are all a part of the RNG that is DF.

[winsock]

I've opted to skip over most of your attempts to deflect your personal responsibility onto the roulette system, other inconsiderate players, etc.

Ultimately, your premise is incorrect and if I can show you that, everything else should fall into place, so:

Like I pointed out in my first post, all sides in this are guilty of being selfish. The fact is you are calling out the selfishness of some while excusing the selfishness of others. Everyone is in it for their own goals. My stance this entire time is that people will be selfish.

I believe you are confusing "selfishness" and "motivation", "selfishness" and self-interest", and are adopting at least 1 informal fallacy to create the above. I think I know where you're going with this and if so, you are mistaken for several reasons. Before a give you a full breakdown, could you elaborate on the above quote? Do you believe that all self-aware actions are selfish?

Specifically:
Give an example of any willing and conscious action you would not consider to be selfish.

[Fernosaur]

Tfw when an innocent question about tanks leaving mid-dungeon runs turns into an argument about adultery and the morality of the legal system.



I reinforce my previous words that people take this deal way too seriously~

[Brian_]

You know you're grasping for straws when reality and facts are considered fictional deflection.

As for the questioning --

When the reason you do something originates from personal gain rather than viewing personal gain as a byproduct of a shared gain and/or when there is an intentional lack of consideration for others due to prioritizing oneself. That is selfish / self-centered / ego-centric / whatever synonym you want to use.

I think I've provided ample examples of this but I will restate the situation you are defending. Queuing for a dungeon with the goal of farming tomestones and then telling others that joined with a different purpose that they are not entitled to pursue their own motivations and should instead sacrifice their time for you. Your reason for queuing originates from personal gain, farming tomestones, rather than as a by product of an urge for a good shared experience / a fulfilling run for your party-mates. You clearly prioritize your own tomestones and time over the will of the leaver. SURPRISE! Their motive for leaving is probably the same!

As for what's not selfish -- doing anything with the primary goal of accommodating others.

I mentioned that I join Savage helper parties. The only gain that I personally get is more experience with the content and networking -- the former is the byproduct of a shared experience gain and the latter is a byproduct of what is hopefully a fulfilling run for the people I'm helping.

[NorthernLadMSP]

What I think is amusing is how you are kidding yourself in to believing that your supposed helping of people in Savage somehow nullifies the behavior you display when you queue into a Roulette and leave at the drop of a hat when it's not a dungeon of your choosing.

[HoodRat]

What I think is amusing is how you are kidding yourself in to believing that your supposed helping of people in Savage somehow nullifies the behavior you display when you queue into a Roulette and leave at the drop of a hat when it's not a dungeon of your choosing.

Because anyone who doesn't want to run the most pointless dungeon in the game when no one needs the clear is worse than Hitler, amirite.

[Brian_]

What I think is amusing is how you are kidding yourself in to believing that your supposed helping of people in Savage somehow nullifies the behavior you display when you queue into a Roulette and leave at the drop of a hat when it's not a dungeon of your choosing.

I missed the part where I tried to kid myself into thinking my good behavior negated my bad. Are you trying to suggest that you've never done anything to waste anyone's time? Because I can guarantee you do it on a daily basis.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Because anyone who doesn't want to run the most pointless dungeon in the game when no one needs the clear is worse than Hitler, amirite.

LOL thanks for that pointless response.

If you go back and read, the OP is frustrated about tanks insta-leaving dungeons while trying to finish his Anima relic. So, please enlighten me as to what is "the most pointless dungeon in the game," is and why your comment has any relevance to said topic.