What can I do to stop this?

[Brian_]

Ranting

To you I only have a single response because your post just reeks of blindness and a severe lack of perspective.

PLD was my first (and still preferred) job. I cleared all of Coil on PLD and mained it until mid-way through the Gordias raid cycle. My first ARR relic was on PLD.

Despite all that, I no longer queue for any dungeon using PLD. Why? Because through thousands of dungeon runs worth of experience, I realized that doing the same dungeon on WAR consistently shortened the run by 2-3 minutes. This is despite the same DPS optimization and gear.

So, according to your logic, nobody should ever play PLD in a dungeon. If you only have PLD leveled, you should just not queue for dungeons. You're wasting everyone's time due to a personal insistence. It adds up. If efficiency really is the name of the game (as I claim), then playing PLD is arbitrarily introducing inefficiency to your gameplay.

But why should I care? The point is I don't care. You are not me. You are not forced to abide by my own approach to the game. You can do whatever you want within your individual rights and I will do likewise. That is the point. If I disagree with you, I will express it using my individual rights and won't instead impose my opinions on your free will.

[Laraul]

My problem lies in tanks. There are many problems I've had with tank players during my farm, but the one that bothers me the most is a tank will leave as soon as we enter a dungeon, leaving us stranded in this dungeon for 30-40+ minutes waiting for.

I can't say tanks spontaneously drop anymore than any other class when playing, and a player actually abandoning a dungeon is rather rare. Maybe occasionally during an Aurum Vale run. 10 tankless runs in two days? I don't buy it. Not single tank joined mid run during run of those ten times either? Sounds highly unlikely.

[Violette]

God i hate mentor roulette first timers, they might need some help and that annoys the shit out of me.

[Brian_]

God i hate mentor roulette first timers, they might need some help and that annoys the shit out of me.

I didn't address this point because I felt it was asinine and people clearly didn't read this line in my first post --

Do I leave dungeons? Yea. I try not to do it if I queue into something like Sastasha or anything with a green leaf or bonus (even if I don't care for the bonus)

But, I'll address it anyway because this passive aggressive pussyfooting is quite annoying. I have no problem helping people. I probably spend more time in Savage helper runs or Sephirot learning parties (even at this late juncture) than most people here even spend in the content overall. But, I explicitly said what I did in regards to groups that really can't clear.

So some people here -- probably for lack of actual experience -- have said that the Mentor Roulette's bonus is given so that people stay and help. You do realize that if you don't clear the duty, you don't get the bonus, right? As someone who has actually queued into Ramuh EX multiple times through Mentor Roulette and sat through a lock-out worth of wiping, I would say the system hardly does what some imply.

Instead they suggest that everyone just spend 60 minutes locked in Ramuh EX with a party that has no hope of clearing for no reward whatsoever.

Given the reputation of toxicity some of these people have on their own servers, I'd say their standards for themselves should better reflect their standards for others if they want to do such hypocritical white knighting.

[Violette]

My feelings are hurt. I thought we got on great.

Though glass houses and stones man.

[HoodRat]

Some people can't see the difference between a group who can learn the mechanics and clear and a group who has no chance at all and just needs to leave because the amount of time they are given from the mentor roulette is not enough to help them. You can't help those who aren't interested in actually learning.

[ADVSS]

Some people can't see the difference between a group who can learn the mechanics and clear and a group who has no chance at all and just needs to leave because the amount of time they are given from the mentor roulette is not enough to help them. You can't help those who aren't interested in actually learn

The sad truth

[Fernosaur]

The thing is, from what he's saying, he wasn't even getting carried. He wasn't spamming AoEs or whatever, but no one was wiping because of him. At most they "lost" five extra minutes of their life in that dungeon, five minutes which would have probably been spent staring at a computer screen in Facebook anyways. What I'm saying is that it's making a very big deal out of a really minor thing. It's Duty Finder, there are much worse people you could get than someone who is doing their job despite not playing 100% optimally.

Also, you can't always expect everyone to have the same amount of skill as you do. They might be doing their best effort, but they may just be bad at the game, or be learning their rotations, or just plain be rusty after a long time not playing. Does that mean they're not allowed to play it and should be kicked? That's just toxic mentality, dude. You can't have expectations of super optimal play in something as trivial as the duty roulette.

[winsock]

... completely confused...

hahahahha. Having a criminal trial is about proving you committed an action that already isn't legally tolerated. Your response about "fair trials" has nothing to do with "live and let live".

Here is a clearer example for you. Let's say the behavior is adultery / you adopt the lifestyle of a cheater. It is a perfectly legal thing to do, but it isn't socially acceptable for the majority of ppl. Not saying that you can't do it, just saying it's a selfish thing to do and you shouldn't cry "live and let live" on the internet if ppl reject that behavior.

You are aware of your actions and are aware that the are not socially acceptable. You should not be surprised if there are social consequences. Those consequences might be disapproval and social rejection rather than a prison sentence, but they are still consequences you've earned yourself and have no right to complain about.

[Brian_]

... completely biased...

No, the basis of live and let live is you afford other people the same right to life you afford yourself. I really don't get how you are having such difficulty with even the literal meaning of words. Even if someone commits a murder, they are entitled to the same treatment under the law as you are. It's not like just because they commited a murder, the laws no longer apply to them. That is the stance you and many others in this topic are taking. You're saying that the 30-minute leaver penalty is not sufficient punishment in the case of deliberate leavers and thus need to apply your own laws based on shaming people. You are making the argument that you deserve something that you deny others the right to have.

And to say leaving a dungeon is the equivalent of cheating is hilarious. No, it's not. It's the figurative equivalent of breaking up with someone or getting a divorce. You must be some far-right conservative zealot who believes that marriage is literally until death do you part. You must honestly believe that after you put that ring on, you forfeit a number of your rights as a human being. You are saying that people should not be given the right to a divorce or a one-sided break-up.

And to be clear, I'm not complaining about anything. I'm pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of a bunch of SJWs on an internet forum. You slander me for wasting other people's time but you yourself have undoubtedly wasted countless hours of other people's time in other ways.