Bring back 18% Stoneskin

[Lorglath]

WHMs really need some form of better mitigation. Scholars were given burst aoe heals because they had no real answer for a WHM medicas/cure IIIs. They were given the same protect that we have, so that you didn't HAVE to include a WHM in your group.

Well there are so many fights where true mitigation is almost required that a WHM is relegated to doing specific roles because they can not do even a fraction of true mitigation.

At the very least give us back our 18% stoneskin instead of the joke it is now.

[Ashelia_Ferron]

Or at least give a better trait instead of just 0.5s less cast time on Stoneskin.

[Llynd]

Mitigation is for sch, heal is for whm. I do agree we have too much heal skills ( and still, emergency tactics and indomtability got a decent cd, which gives NOT a medica equivalent.) and have not enough pure protection. But give you such a shield will make the two class look similar in the end. Please no.

At least for the group one, for the prepull, but I won't accept a 18% HP shield from a pure heal job.

[Lorglath]

That's fine and i'd agree with you Llynd if square intended to keep the jobs truly distinct, but they've shown that they aren't doing that. They want to give parity to scholars but have not given it to WHMs.

Stoneskin at 18% is about as on par with Adlo as the scholar aoe heals are with medica. Stoneskin takes a long time to cast, we're not healing during that time unlike scholars who have their fairy going along with getting some heal out of adlo. Your adlo scales with your healing abilities, Stoneskin is purely dependant on the target's HPs. Stoneskin is crazy expensive mp wise for what it does. And we still only would have a way to put stoneskin on one target at a time.

[Nathair]

Stoneskin at 18% is about as on par with Adlo as the scholar aoe heals are with medica.

This is the funniest thing I've heard today.
Try using just TWO medicas every 30 seconds when in need of heavy AoE healing, then come here to report how you found the experience.
Bceause there's no way a SCH worth their salt will spam Succor except in two cases
1. The main healer is dead -> Panic (sometimes) -> Solo heal while trying to raise without other casualities
2. No reason
Succor is used only for those heavy raid damage mechanics, not for actual healing. And based on the mechanic/fight, might as well just go for a deployed Adlo.

That leaves Indomitability (30 sec CD) and a Emergency Tactics+Succor (30 sec CD).

So yes, try using just two Medica every 30 seconds, and see if you can full people up for the next mechanic.
If you can't, that means AoE healing is not on par.

[Lorglath]

This is the funniest thing I've heard today.
Try using just TWO medicas every 30 seconds when in need of heavy AoE healing, then come here to report how you found the experience.
Bceause there's no way a SCH worth their salt will spam Succor except in two cases
1. The main healer is dead -> Panic (sometimes) -> Solo heal while trying to raise without other casualities
2. No reason
Succor is used only for those heavy raid damage mechanics, not for actual healing. And based on the mechanic/fight, might as well just go for a deployed Adlo.

That leaves Indomitability (30 sec CD) and a Emergency Tactics+Succor (30 sec CD).

So yes, try using just two Medica every 30 seconds, and see if you can full people up for the next mechanic.
If you can't, that means AoE healing is not on par.

And no WHM would would spam stoneskin (even with 18%) to the same degree a SCH uses adlo.

[Nathair]

And no WHM would would spam stoneskin (even with 18%) to the same degree a SCH uses adlo.

Exactly why changing doesn't make much of a difference anyway, since the sch covers the pray etc.

[Llynd]

So, you're actually saying that you won't use it, even if It gets buffed? To me, whm really are fine this way ! ^^

[Lorglath]

I think you'll find I didn't say that at all, you're putting words in my mouth. I'm saying that there are downsides to an 18% stoneskin that a scholar doesn't need to worry about, much as there is a downside to a scholar's aoe heals a WHM doesn't need to think about

[DarkmoonVael]

Maybe factor in the third healer into your OP and you may get a better picture.

SCH and Noct AST are there to do the mitigation where it is needed.

WHM and Diurnal AST are there to do the bulk of the healing.

Give WHM both higher throughput of heals (which they have already over AST) and better mitigation than Diurnal AST, then you have less reason to take a Diurnal AST over WHM.