Bring back 18% Stoneskin

[Lorglath]

Maybe factor in the third healer into your OP and you may get a better picture.

SCH and Noct AST are there to do the mitigation where it is needed.

WHM and Diurnal AST are there to do the bulk of the healing.

Give WHM both higher throughput of heals (which they have already over AST) and better mitigation than Diurnal AST, then you have less reason to take a Diurnal AST over WHM.

Then take away scholar's AOE healing.

[Llynd]

Then take away scholar's AOE healing.

Nah, we are not saying that whm shouldn't have it, but less strong then what a sch can do. Same for us, we only have two aoe heals and way less strong than what whm can do. It's fine this way ya know. ^^

[Lorglath]

Nah, we are not saying that whm shouldn't have it, but less strong then what a sch can do. Same for us, we only have two aoe heals and way less strong than what whm can do. It's fine this way ya know. ^^

Then I think we're saying pretty much the same thing. I don't think an 18% stoneskin is anywhere near the mitigation potential that a scholar can do.

[FoxyAreku]

Yeah never did understand why they nerfed this to begin with. Even at 18% it was sub-par to use in combat.

[DarkmoonVael]

Then take away scholar's AOE healing.

SCH isnt on the level of either WHM or AST aoe healing.

[Llynd]

Actually it is ! Its not acceptable that you can immitate our Adlo ! 10% is way enough ! A sch cannot immitate the heal you can give with 3 medica one after an other ! Its the same !

[DarkmoonVael]

Actually it is ! Its not acceptable that you can immitate our Adlo ! 10% is way enough ! A sch cannot immitate the heal you can give with 3 medica one after an other ! Its the same !

Sarcasm detected, initiate auto cleanse.........

The thing is, the way you can interact with adlo in a raid makes it significantly more powerful than either stoneskin or N.A.Ben.

To balance this level of mitigation, WHM get stupidly powerful aoe heals.

And AST gets more mitigation that whm, but less than sch. And more powerful aoe healing than sch but less than whm. Ast to compensate brings significantly more powerful buffs than sch or whm. I think this is what the OP needs to consider. (But dammit, give me my MND bonus on AST already).

The three healers are balanced around each other, but even then, sch is silly powerful. But it doesnt mean whm should get granite skin back due to adlo.

[Mizi]

For I've read, SE nerfed the Stoneskin on WHM from 18% to 'normal' 10%, because in ARR they numbers where low and since we're getting better equipment and higher HP... They decided that 18% is too much. That's why they nerfed. But, I remember the old days of ARR where I used to join as SCH in Dugeons and whenever I used Stoneskin on tank, the WHM would do it just right after me, like saying 'yours is awful, leave it to me'. Same was valid to Protect, where WM's Protect would give both Physical and Magic protection awhile the SCH/PLD would only give Physical protection. Oh.. good old times...

[Nathair]

For I've read, SE nerfed the Stoneskin on WHM from 18% to 'normal' 10%, because in ARR they numbers where low and since we're getting better equipment and higher HP... They decided that 18% is too much. That's why they nerfed.

That aside, SE decided to get every % heal out of the way. Nerfed ss, nerfed Lustrate, because Tanks' HP were going to skyrocket.
We're never getting graniteskin back, as we're never getting getting the flat 25% Lustrate back.

They gave the same protect to everyone for a simple reason: with AST now as a third healer. there's very high probability you're not getting a WHM. It was necessary.

[Rawrz]

25,000 HP Tank (non War) is Adlo'ed for 3,000. Gains a shield of 3,000. MP Cost of 1060. Assuming the tank was already topped off from the WHM, the spell is worth 3,000.
25,000 HP Tank (non War) is Old SS'ed at 18% for 4,500. MP Cost of 884.