We Need Beast Master Job in FF14 ARR

[Blackcanary]

I have edited this thread so it is now the new home for new Job ideas. It can be jobs from old FF games all just brand new jobs that you have thought of.

I thought it would be easier for Yoshida san and his developer team if there was one thread where they can find all the great ideas everyone has for new Jobs for FFXI4 also keeps the General Discussion forum a lot more organized.

If you have any new ideas please post them here.

Thanks guys.

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BEASTMASTER

I really want a true pet class in this game.

A pet class that is about the pet. Not where the pet is more of a after thought or the job becomes a dot class.
Where the pet is the main weapon and you are the support and you fight beside it.
No matter what the pet is the main focus of the job you give it orders and you support it.

Beast Master was mainly a Job that you can solo with for example in FFXI you was able to pull mobs with ur pet and be a damage deller.

I know that FFXIV right now isn't a full on the solo side but I'm sure SE could make it work.

Just thought I would add more to my original post so people understand what I mean by a true pet class. Since people keep posting that I'm not fully explaining what I mean.

Beast Master should nearly be the as it was in FFXI but of cause changed to be playable in FF14 ARR. It should not be bast on a Job from World Of War craft like SMN was , complete wanna be Warlock. Beast Master should not be about dots which takes away the main focus of the pet which becomes more of a side thought with a few animations and a few buffs for the dots.

Beast Master is all about the pets baby they should be a force to be recond with but of course balanced and not over powered.

It would be cool if the weapon could ether be one handed dagger (sorry don't know the real name for it) or a Sturf. But that would be the second weapon for the job the main weapon would be the pet. So the pet does the main damage.
And you do a a little bit of damage along side it.

By going through the story quest you would get your main weapon which would be the pet and the secondary weapon which would be the dagger or the sturf.

When it comes to the main story quest for the job the first quest could be Called "Unleash your inner animal spirt" or "Unleash your inner animal cry".

The quest would teach you how to charm/tame your first wild mob/animal/pet.

And from there the rest of the quests will fully teach you about the job and you would learn the history of the Beast Master.

Please add Beast Master from FFXI and use the version of Beast Master as the base foundation to try and make the Job work in the game.

AGAIN I AM NOT SAYING TO COPY AND PAST BEAST MASTER SO IT IS A COMPLETE COPY OF THE JOB FROM FF11.

You can change it as much as you want so it fits into FF14ARR as long as it stays true to being a pet class and does not become a dot class.

Please do not make it a dot class.

[Ultimatecalibur]

I really want a true pet class in this game.

Whenever I see this phrase I really want to know what people mean by it.

What is a "true" pet class?

[Cherie]

Whenever I see this phrase I really want to know what people mean by it.

What is a "true" pet class?

I'm not sure exactly in every case of this statement but for me a "true" pet class would let me choose my pet from the wilds. In games like Guild Wars, WoW, FFXI and quite a number of others you can go out into the world and pick a minor non-humanoid enemy and lure it into your employ indefinitely. The process of "taming" it is usually entertaining too as you usually have to disarm yourself and try to win it's affections while it tries to bite your head off. Also, you can often die in the process if you fail. So, once successful, it really feels like you have gotten a "pet" so there is more a sense of some kind of bond as well as the achievement of the success of taming. Out of all the creatures out there, you got that one and it chose you too...and etc.

Ya it's just a psychological shortcut to make use feel affection for pixels but it is what it is... lol

Summoner in this game just feels like you generate a new potato each time and you feel about as much bond to it a regular potato. And once it disappears you don't really wonder what it's doing anymore than your baked potato you had for dinner last night.

[Blackcanary]

I'm not sure exactly in every case of this statement but for me a "true" pet class would let me choose my pet from the wilds. In games like Guild Wars, WoW, FFXI and quite a number of others you can go out into the world and pick a minor non-humanoid enemy and lure it into your employ indefinitely. The process of "taming" it is usually entertaining too as you usually have to disarm yourself and try to win it's affections while it tries to bite your head off. Also, you can often die in the process if you fail. So, once successful, it really feels like you have gotten a "pet" so there is more a sense of some kind of bond as well as the achievement of the success of taming. Out of all the creatures out there, you got that one and it chose you too...and etc.

Ya it's just a psychological shortcut to make use feel affection for pixels but it is what it is... lol

Summoner in this game just feels like you generate a new potato each time and you feel about as much bond to it a regular potato. And once it disappears you don't really wonder what it's doing anymore than your baked potato you had for dinner last night.

Could not agree more with everything you said.

[Obysuca]

Whenever I see this phrase I really want to know what people mean by it.

What is a "true" pet class?

One where the majority your actions/skills control what the pet does, rather than everything you do, is your own damage and your pet kind of just does its own thing (XIV smn)

Imo, that's what they should have done for smn, with your skills having different effects depending on which one you had summoned, but straight from SE, they seem to think it'd "be difficult for new players" so that's why we don't have a real pet job :/

[Ultimatecalibur]

First off I want to make a point about the poor choice of the word "true" by the Op. It is a very vague and loaded term that does not actually help out game designers. It is really easy for players to agree with but does not actually tell them anything about what you want.

Both of the following are much more helpful bits of information. So please keep that in mind.

I'm not sure exactly in every case of this statement but for me a "true" pet class would let me choose my pet from the wilds. In games like Guild Wars, WoW, FFXI and quite a number of others you can go out into the world and pick a minor non-humanoid enemy and lure it into your employ indefinitely. The process of "taming" it is usually entertaining too as you usually have to disarm yourself and try to win it's affections while it tries to bite your head off. Also, you can often die in the process if you fail. So, once successful, it really feels like you have gotten a "pet" so there is more a sense of some kind of bond as well as the achievement of the success of taming. Out of all the creatures out there, you got that one and it chose you too...and etc.

Ya it's just a psychological shortcut to make use feel affection for pixels but it is what it is... lol

Summoner in this game just feels like you generate a new potato each time and you feel about as much bond to it a regular potato. And once it disappears you don't really wonder what it's doing anymore than your baked potato you had for dinner last night.

So for you a "true" pet class is one with a risky pet glamour system that when you succeed you feel you have created an actual psychological bond with your pet's new glamour.

One where the majority your actions/skills control what the pet does, rather than everything you do, is your own damage and your pet kind of just does its own thing (XIV smn)

And you think that a "true" pet class is one where the primary focus is on managing the pet.

I can see how the current 3 pet classes (Summoner, Scholar and Machinist) currently fail to meet both sets of prerequisites.

Imo, that's what they should have done for smn, with your skills having different effects depending on which one you had summoned, but straight from SE, they seem to think it'd "be difficult for new players" so that's why we don't have a real pet job :/

Actually I think they limited the number of abilities effected by the current summoned pet in order to make the class easier to balance. When you have a class in which most of its abilities are determined by the currently active pet and that class is actually a number of different classes with one meta class. Each different pet would create a different version of the class that must be balanced against every other version and every other class.

[Caitlyn]

Machinist is no pet-class. Its a turret, not a living beeing. And you dont have to control it. Just place it in range and hypercharge it, thats all.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Machinist is no pet-class. Its a turret, not a living beeing. And you dont have to control it. Just place it in range and hypercharge it, thats all.

Mechanically (and programmatically) fairies, carbuncles, egis and turrets are player generated mobiles with various amounts of mobility and player intractability.

A machinist is a pet class because a portion of its capabilities and damage output is tied to generating, maintaining and controlling a mobile. It might not be primarily a pet class but it still falls into the general area of pet classes.

[Cidel]

Actually I think they limited the number of abilities effected by the current summoned pet in order to make the class easier to balance. When you have a class in which most of its abilities are determined by the currently active pet and that class is actually a number of different classes with one meta class. Each different pet would create a different version of the class that must be balanced against every other version and every other class.

This is a key aspect about designing a more (taming monsters) pet-focused job in XIV. This game is built upon balancing everything so nothing is glaringly a better option in every way. People get excited at the prospect of taming their favorite XIV mob, but as monsters are now, there would be some monsters so incredibly useless and so incredibly overpowered that the devs would be sloppy not to simply homogenize every monster to have the same move pool to avoid lovely little "only BSTs using Narbroois can join this PF (they have a vulnerability stack ability I think?)" scenarios and in the end we'll end up with the type of pets being nothing more than glamour. If everyone can settle for that, then by all means...