FFXIV: The State Of Raiding

[OranKells]

I would love to see a midas(extreme), not as hard as savage. slightly watered down mechanics, still difficult. only drops one chest. no manifesto pages. shares a restriction with savage. good stepping stone and more accessible to those of us that can't dedicate 3/4 nights a week to raiding

[mp-please]

Too many gear sets implemented during 3.2 also dilluted the reward and most people didn't bothered with the risk after the whole living liquid fiasco.
With crafted sets being roughly as good as tome gear, midas normal sets being 90% useless and midas savage gear being relatively unnecessary for 90% of the game content and even the last 10% being clearable without it, people just measured the risk and reward and settled with i220-i230 instead of burning their faces through savage.

As a old raider who did all coils but unfortunately had their friends murdered by comcast and living liquid, i have to say that storyline alexander was a huge mistake. It should've never been that easy, raiding isn't and shouldn't have been meant for casuals regardless having a storyline, it should've been a type of content at the same tier of at least >some< of the extreme primals where they can be DF'd but not hard enough that require a major plan to clear.

[Pasquale]

Omg people asking again about mid-core raid... The point you don't get is.. Alexander Midas Savage is a midcore raid!!!! ( only a8s is between midcore and hardcore but for sure not full hardcore) people who find it too difficult is just cuz... Man u are not good for raid that's all try to do something else. My experience tonight we did a6s for a friend with bonus , we had dead people on each boss raised when killed and man we did it 20 sec before enrage and i was like.. How the hell people can't clear this if we do it troll mode o.o. The real hardcore thing is to build a party of 8 man with some skills and some time to spend for this game that's all.

[SpookyGhost]

Man u are not good for raid that's all try to do something else

What would you suggest?

[Brian_]

This place has a gutter-tier reputation for a reason, I guess. I think it does a pretty good job of representing exactly what is wrong with the NA community.

I think people need to educate themselves, understand some basic facts, and take a good long look in the mirror before sharing their opinion.

As a JP based developer that resides within that echo-chamber, what do you think SE sees? Given that we don't have access to their internal data, we can only look at guesstimates. But, lets take a look at the main JP raiding server, Chocobo.

As of 4/20/2016, 8064 people cleared the 3.2 MSQ. Even if you assume that a lot of active 60s merely cleared the requisite quests to unlock the Anti-tower and have left the rest of their MSQ incomplete, you're still looking at 9017 people who cleared the 3.1 MSQ. To me, meeting the basic standards to do the latest EX-primal and EX-roulette is a fair qualification of an end-game participant.

Of the same player-pool, 1410 people are in possession of the Gobwalker mount. Yes, this is an imperfect means of quantifying how many people cleared A4S since it can't account for alts or cleared players who don't have the mount. Yes, a portion of the people with Gobwalker mounts might not've cleared the 3.1 MSQ due to quitting the game. Yes, a potion of these people might've gone and gotten their mount after 3.2. But, it's the best we can do.

Even as a portion of the 3.1 MSQ clearing populace, it's still nearly 16%.

Given the same conditions, Gilgamesh, NA's top raiding server, has 9277 people who've cleared the 3.1 MSQ, 7770 people who've cleared the 3.2 MSQ, and yet only 475 people who are in possession of the Gobwalker mount. That's 5%.

So if I'm in SE's position, what do I see?

Do I see a raiding community that is in desperate need of repair? No. Do I conclude that the content is way too hard? No. The raiding community seems to be pretty healthy on Chocobo and the content probably just needs some slightly more lenient tuning (which explains Midas).

So, in SE's eyes, while the content might still be over-tuned, they probably aren't that concerned with it. They probably see it more as a server-to-server issue and that's why they're prioritizing cross-server RF for 3.3.

As for the NA side, at what point do you just have to accept the reality that the NA player base is horrible? At what point do you just leave the NA community behind in terms of raid balance because the NA community clearly is just not a raiding community? How many consecutive raid tiers of embarrassing under-performance do you need to see before you just consider it a lost cause?

As a player base, at what point do you actually git gud so that the developers can actually take you seriously rather than as some petulant, self-entitled children?

[Nezerius]

So if I'm in SE's position, what do I see?

I'd see the entire google sheet census, and realize that it confirms previous comments about raiders transferring to other servers to raid, after the addition of Gordias (Savage). That JP raiders are congregating on Chocobo, causing it to be an outlier with a way higher clear rate compared to other servers.

Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...=2&pli=1#gid=0

[Ibi]

I'd see the entire google sheet census, and realize that it confirms previous comments about raiders transferring to other servers to raid, after the addition of Gordias (Savage). That JP raiders are congregating on Chocobo, causing it to be an outlier with a way higher clear rate compared to other servers.

Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...=2&pli=1#gid=0

Chocobo may be an outlier, but overall for the 32 JP servers at the time of that survey:

• 3.96% of active players have a Gobwalker mount
• 5.67% of players who cleared the 3.0 story have a Gobwalker mount
• 6.34% of players who cleared the 3.1 story have a Gobwalker mount
• 7.20% of players who cleared the 3.2 story have a Gobwalker mount

For the 24 NA servers:

• 0.73% of active players have a Gobwalker mount
• 1.46% of players who cleared the 3.0 story have a Gobwalker mount
• 1.78% of players who cleared the 3.1 story have a Gobwalker mount
• 2.18% of players who cleared the 3.2 story have a Gobwalker mount

The disparity between JP and NA content clear rates is not limited to just the servers on which raiders have congregated.

That said, JP servers also have a considerably higher portion of their active players clearing the story than NA servers:

• 69.83% of active JP players have cleared the 3.0 story, compared to 49.72% of NA players
• 62.47% of active JP players have cleared the 3.1 story, compared to 40.79% of NA players
• 55.03% of active JP players have cleared the 3.2 story, compared to 33.41% of NA players

Which suggests that the two player bases consume the game in very different ways in general.

[CookieMonsta]

I don't think I can stand another face roll Alex NM style raid tier. The current Savage is the only difficult content left.

[Khalithar]

The same fights on multiple difficulties is perfectly fine if it's designed in such a way that different levels of difficulty have different mechanics you have to do. A2S and M4S both have extra mechanics in savage difficulty (extra waves and an extra transformation respectively), adding 1-3 more mechanics to do on normal mode and maybe 3-5 on savage on top of higher numbers being required would actually serve to make the fights feel unique and interesting enough to justify it.

[KarstenS]

The same fights on multiple difficulties is perfectly fine if it's designed in such a way that different levels of difficulty have different mechanics you have to do.

Thats your opinion.

Back in 2.1 we had 3 times Ifrit, Garuda and Titan (Story, HM, Ex). Two times was ok for me. But my motivation to do them a third time got close to zero.