Live Letter XXX Discussion Thread

[Yukiko]

Doing maps daily, finally after months you get a portal, ohhh wait 10 minutes to gather some friends, but they are sleeping -> lets get some strangers... party time, after 9 minutes hurry to enter, first floor clear within some minutes then the wrong door and ohh sorry but thanks for helping... and maybe the strangers stealing all loot...

Can guarantee you within 4 weeks no one will ever do those portals again even when they spawn!

Edit: The reference with atma in the picture was "one gets it every time while the other does not"...

Edit2:
Ifrit choose to attack from 8 possible targets -> RNG used correctly
Crafter max level with using all skills and best in slot but failing in low level crafts -> RNG used wrong

Edit3: Well, no one ever said RNG is not needed -> we say it needs a net to backup extreme outcomes, every programmer can tell you about RNGs

Crap, again Edit4 - sorry its the last:
What I ment with correct use of RNG is that if you design the "outcome", you need to ask the question if it is important to "know" the outcome and what comes next.
As crafter you target something -> the outcome is important because it influence the following actions (losing materials) => not using RNG
If Ifrit attacks player A, B or C -> the outcome is not important because the following action doesnt change (needs to be healed) => using RNG
Choosing Loot from a pool of possibilities -> outcome is not important because you can influence the "possibilities" => using RNG (well, thats not what we have here in FFXIV)
Getting Loot, yes or no -> outcome is important because again the player is targeting something => not using RNG

[NaesakiAshwell]

Doing maps daily, finally after months you get a portal

With a 50% chance for the portal to appear, to only get in after a months. That would be some of the unluckiest RNG in the world.

Also considering you need at least 2 people with you to beat the dragonskin maps you aren't just gonna randomly tackle it alone and they've stated its going to be tuned to doing it 4 people but will be potentially possible with 2 and you can take 8 people if you truly desire to.

Then a 50% chance to keep progressing.

There is nothing wrong with the RNG implementation for this treasure dungeon.

There is only so much you can do to RNG.

[Yukiko]

With a 50% chance for the portal to appear, to only get in after a months. That would be some of the unluckiest RNG in the world.
Then a 50% chance to keep progressing.
There is nothing wrong with the RNG implementation for this treasure dungeon.
There is also so much you can do to RNG.

We will see, remember the 98% crafts and BOOF failure 8 times in a row...

[NaesakiAshwell]

We will see, remember the 98% crafts and BOOF failure 8 times in a row...

Thats just the nature of the RNG, you are literally complaining about something that is fundamentally very abstract.

The statistics are extremely low of that instance occurring but it is still statistically possible.

The whole treasure dungeon is supposed to be an extra bonus and maybe you'll get some additional goodies.

[Yukiko]

Thats just the nature of the RNG, you are literally complaining about something that is fundamentally very abstract.
The statistics are extremely low of that instance occurring but it is still statistically possible.

Not sure if you are a crafter, but well... in FFXIV its happening A LOT

[MomomiMomi]

Not sure if you are a crafter, but well... in FFXIV its happening A LOT

I'm a crafter. Nope. Have never seen it.

[NaesakiAshwell]

Not sure if you are a crafter, but well... in FFXIV its happening A LOT

I am, and I'm afraid you just have bad luck.

I've had many times when I've had a 95% to 99% to mine something and its failed 3 times in a row, its annoying sure but its nothing to get riled up about.

I've had many times when I've been crafting and HQing at 1%.

Its all down to luck and whether Lady Luck smiles or not is random and getting riled up about it is just utterly pointless.

[Nezerius]

Not sure if you are a crafter, but well... in FFXIV its happening A LOT

Sorry, but you're WRONG (see how that works?)
I'm an omnicrafter in the sense that I have three characters to cover every single specialist. This does happen every now and then, but doesn't happen A LOT.

As for how, according to you, it's not possible to design the reward around the content, do you even know what the reward from the 7th room is?
It's a guaranteed drop of multiple grade V materia, and every player in the group receives 100,000 gil

If getting to the 7th room didn't involve RNG in its base design, without the rewards being altered, that'd mean the game would generate 800k with every opened portal.
If you don't see any issue here, then you're the one that's been sleeping through this entire discussion.

[Natashio]

Crafter max level with using all skills and best in slot but failing in low level crafts -> RNG used wrong
We will see, remember the 98% crafts and BOOF failure 8 times in a row...

A max level crafter failing a low level craft is cause they failed it themselves. Two, I have never failed a 98% high quality 8 times in a row.

[Felis]

We will see, remember the 98% crafts and BOOF failure 8 times in a row...

And how many sucess had you with 98% after 100 or 200 tries?

With % chances small numbers (like 8) are worthless. You have to come with the big numbers.

Also what your comic not tell: the one who found his atma really fast needed 2 days in the next zone, while the other 2 found it this time in 2 hours