Suggestion for Novice Network system - Too many whining sprouts

[Petdo]

Thank you for your opinion. I think I'll stop invite sprouts to Novice network for a while until they fix/improve this system. I'll let other mentors do this job instead since I'm not the only one who can invite and I don't want to feel down when someone complaining about my action....that I did it for free to the game I love.

Also, I think asking before invite is useless because if some sprout choose to not join the Novice network but doesn't turn off the sprout status, some mentor will invite him/her again anyway. It's mean that this system was "designed" to let's mentor blind invite any sprouts to Novice network without the requirement of asking before invite.

That's why I think this system really need some adjustment.

[Alien_Gamer]

Also, I think asking before invite is useless because if some sprout choose to not join the Novice network but doesn't turn off the sprout status, some mentor will invite him/her again anyway. It's mean that this system was "designed" to let's mentor blind invite any sprouts to Novice network without the requirement of asking before invite.

That's why I think this system really need some adjustment.

Its called courtesy or politeness or just good manners to talk to a sprout first. Blind invites are rude whether or not they're for an LS, an FC or the NN. Just because the system allows rude behavior is not an excuse to not show someone the simple courtesy of asking first. If you were actually nice and asked them first then they wouldn't be bitching about the blind invite.

You're whole point that just because someone else will, you shouldn't have to is absurd. Just because someone else might do something doesn't give you a free pass to do it too.

Bottom line, you acted rudely, got called out on it and now you're complaining.

[CatchaFire420]

Thank you for your opinion. I think I'll stop invite sprouts to Novice network for a while until they fix/improve this system.

Devs: Mentor System is working as intended. Yea looks like it by the quote from Petdo. When mentors don't want to be a part of it, its a joke.

Here's some advice , instead of making pointless networks that make people hate being a part of, or this hard on for pvp that sometimes works, focus on making PVE less of a snooze fest and pointless vertical climb.

That is all.

[birdy_reene]

Maybe ppl find this to hard to do, why not ask a sprout if they would like to join it, before inviting them to a system that forces them in? Its kinda like those rude FC invites where no one talks to you first but keeps inviting you. Whats so hard about communicating with someone before you invite them?

[LineageRazor]

Whats so hard about communicating with someone before you invite them?

Actually, SE has restrictions in place that DOES add quite a bit of difficulty in communicating with someone before you invite them. Trial accounts are very limited in the kinds of communication they can participate in - essentially, they're limited to using /say to communicate. So, let's say that you're a Mentor, and you've come across a Sprout. You check, and they haven't been invited to NN yet, and you don't want to be a pain and invite someone who doesn't want in. So, you communicate! How does that go?

Mentor: /s Hey, there! I see that you're not in the Novus Network, a place where veteran players chat with new players to help them learn to play the game! Would you like to join?
(Sprout is silent)
Mentor: /s Ah, perhaps you don't know how to chat! You should be set to chat in /say by default, but just in case you're not, type /say followed by what you want to say!
(Sprout is silent)
Mentor: /s Perhaps you don't have a keyboard? If you click on your chat window, you can bring up an in-game keyboard you can type on...
(Sprout is silent)
Mentor: /s Maybe you don't speak English? (Can you understand English?) Wait, that doesn't translate to Spanish... I don't know any Spanish...
(Sprout is silent)
Mentor: /s I dunno, jump up and down if you want to join?
(Sprout doesn't jump)
Mentor: /s Well, I tried, I guess...

Obviously, this is a worst-case scenario, with an absurdly patient and persistent Mentor, but there can be many reasons why a sprout does not respond. It also can't be argued that a player who can't type or understand English wouldn't be interested in joining; Novice Network DOES have multiple language representation (even if, on my server at least, it's primarily English), and players who can't type can still learn much by listening to the chat. For a Mentor that is honestly concerned about getting newbies in, "Just talk to them" isn't that simple.

It's not a surprise, then, that a lot of mentors simply choose to invite, leaving the sprout to decide whether they want to stay or not (and, thankfully, sprouts now have that choice). Or, alternatively, Mentors who don't want to be disrespectful but also don't want to invest in a potential wasted conversation (and remember, both the Mentor and Sprout have to stay in the same place, since /say might be the only possible form of conversation) wind up simply inviting a whole lot less sprouts.

Again, though, folks aren't wrong in saying unsolicited NN invites are like blind-inviting someone to a FC. The system SHOULD be changed, and hopefully will. In the meantime, both viewpoints have their plusses and minuses.