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    Combine actions without macros

    Is it even possible? There are some obvious actions/skills that goes hand-in-hand.

    TL;DR: Having 2 actions-in-one buttons without macros would be awesome.

    Raw Intuition + Awareness, Vengeance + Bloodbath or Blood for Blood + Internal Release.... etc. As I'm using controller, those cross-hotbars gets easily full, which makes combining some of these with macros an option to ease the load off the hotbars. However, seemingly more often than not the skills don't triggers as intended in fast paced, lag prone battles. In certain situations you really just want to quickly use, for example, Blood for Blood + Internal Release while continuing your skill-chain. In this example I find that this macro fails very often:

    /ac "Blood for Blood" <me>
    /wait 0.5
    /ac "Internal Release" <me>

    What occasionally happens with this is that only 1 actions triggers. Which renders it unpredictable. Increasing wait to 1 sec (wait-inline even) doesn't seem to make any difference in my case. In fact, it makes it worse. Removing the "wait" kinda works, but then you have to mash the button, and even then it seems laggy. And, imo, it's easier to press two buttons to get off 2 actions than mash 1 macro to get off 2. I'm guessing this is because macros can't queue skills, which feels much smoother.

    Basically what I want is actions that triggers 2 or more "normal" actions, without macros. To make them go smoother they have to be actual actions. One obvious problem here is that this could create about 100 new actions lol.
    Edit: Oh, and another obvious problem is that not all skills/abilities have the same cooldown. Still, I wouldn't mind just picking the longest cooldown.
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    Last edited by Guesswhat; 05-19-2016 at 06:44 PM.

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    delete the /wait and double push the button, works fine for most.
    Your macro fails cause the macro function counts only in full seconds.
    Best solution would be to macro this oGCDs in one macro and push the button till all are done.
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    Rounded to nearest second? Are you sure??

    I mean:

    /e hello
    /wait 1
    /e world!

    is slower than:

    /e hello
    /wait 0.1
    /e world!

    Maybe it's different with actions.

    Edit: Nvm, I guess 0.1 counts as 0 seconds.
    Edit2:
    Removing the wait seems like a better option, yes. I just wish it was a bit smother.
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    Last edited by Guesswhat; 05-19-2016 at 06:55 PM.

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    The skills have all a animation/skill lock after using like 0.5 seconds and chats don't have this restrictions.

    I think a macro like

    /ac "Raw Intuition"
    /ac "Awareness"

    could effectivly less the bloat from the hotbars. It can just get to a button mashing till both oGCDs are up.

    Best would be a command like /acque to que skills and not just a /ac which activates them when the line gets checked.

    Hope i could help you a little.
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    Yes, thanks! Wasn't aware about the sec rounding thing at least.

    When I think about it, mashing > 1 press and hope both/all skills activate.
    The problem is to adjust the mashing with weaponskill rotation etc. I usually don't mash buttons, unless I'm bursting in hectic pvp situations.

    Hitting 1 macro with "wait" commands between actions are too unreliable in mid-combat. In my experience that is. You have to pay extra attention to see if the abilities activates or not too. And if only the 1st ability activates you just waste time.
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    Macros for combining actions in this game are useless, because they don't actually combine actions into a single keystroke. I don't know why, I think it's incredibly embarrassing for SE that it can't be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destous View Post
    Macros for combining actions in this game are useless, because they don't actually combine actions into a single keystroke. I don't know why, I think it's incredibly embarrassing for SE that it can't be done.
    It's not embarassing, it's by design. You're not meant to be able to macro a 25-second rotation together so you can just hit one button and chillax while watching things die.
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    You can just use the extended crosshotbars. You should be fine with 2 normal crossbars and then using the extended one. PS4 here with controller and having no issue with that. Others use 3 switching crossbars. It's up to each person. I found 3 to be to much for good flow while the extended fits in well.

    We are also getting another way to do them like double extended though not sure when.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion88 View Post
    delete the /wait and double push the button, works fine for most.
    Your macro fails cause the macro function counts only in full seconds.
    What's more likely happening is that it fails because he's used to the flow of the skill queue, which macros cannot use.
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