Is ninja dps starting to fall behind?

[JackFross]

If your latency allows, using raiton is always a dps gain over fuma. the only time you should be using fuma is if you have bad lag.

This is an interesting comment, considering the vast majority of the top NINs in the world according to fflogs use Fuma Shuriken as frequently as or more frequently than they use Raiton. So either you're doing something wrong, or they are. I won't pretend to know which it is.

[ShaolinMike]

This is an interesting comment, considering the vast majority of the top NINs in the world according to fflogs use Fuma Shuriken as frequently as or more frequently than they use Raiton. So either you're doing something wrong, or they are. I won't pretend to know which it is.

IIRC, the reason for the frequent Fuma usage was that Raiton tends to clip into the GCD. So if DarkerOrange's argument for Raiton is simply because of the difference in potency, I believe he's incorrect.

[Alistaire]

If your latency allows, using raiton is always a dps gain over fuma. the only time you should be using fuma is if you have bad lag.

This is no longer true even with perfect lag (or rather, perfect lack of lag.) The #s don't add up for it anymore unless you have absolutely 0 sks in your set which isn't really possible at this time. Putting yourself behind even a fraction of a second every 20 seconds quickly adds up to lost gcds.

[Zahalith]

A good tip for maintaining dmg uptime for maximum possible dps is to use your mudra right after a GCD. Considering how bad latency was, GCD clipping was much more severe. The whole Raiton vs Fuma debate in 2.x was because of this, as well as a Bards foe req (with Raiton preferred). Now in 3.x with fixed mudra lag machninist, fuma is pretty equal with raiton (shorter cast, longer range, hyper charge rook, war storm) with less GCD clip. Always crit Raiton with kassatsu raiton unless you fudge a mudra.

Tldr; use both depending on situation, but always right when GCD starts ticking

[DarkerOrange]

My Raiton clips by less than 0.2 secs (average of 0.18), so it is better for me to raiton in almost all situations. The exception to this is my opener in A7S, cos of the movement round the boss Fuma works better.

[JackFross]

Okay. Base GCD for NIN is 2.12. A delay of 0.18 would be 2.30.

Fuma Shuriken is 240 x 1.1 x 1.2 = 316.8 base potency (slashing debuff + poison)
Raiton is 360 = 360 base potency

316.8 / 2.12 = 149.4 pps
360 / 2.30 = 156.5

So it looks pretty good. However, if you're running with a Machinist, Hypercharge is up occasionally, which boosts that 149.4 pps to 164.4, a rather substantial gain over using Raiton during said Hypercharge. Even with Kassatsu, your Kassatsu Fuma would beat out your Kassatsu Raiton with Hypercharge in play, assuming you remembered your poison and Dancing Edge / Storm's Eye is active. I dunno what your SKS is, though, where you're seeing a 0.18s delay, but the gap between Hypercharge Fuma and Raiton only gets larger the more SKS over 354 you have, keeping the 0.18 delay constant.

Unless I'm missing something...? In which case, enlighten me, please. D:

Trying to figure out pointers for my static NIN who's trying to improve.

[DarkerOrange]

Yea, looks like with hypercharge fuma pulls ahead. I guess I will start using fuma when our MCH has that up. You learn something new everyday about to do A7S for the week, so I shall give it a try.

[DarkerOrange]

Pulled 1734 dps using mostly fuma (only using raiton with kassatsu + no hyper), so it certainly isn't any worse. I will retract my above statement

[Falar]

What about Raiton when you're in a party with a Bard running FOe's Requiem?

Since Hypercharge and Storm/DE are discussed.

[DawnTribal]

If Foe's Requiem is on you should switch to Raiton. Especially with the upcoming bard buffs with a shorter Battle Voice since you will get a stronger Foe's most of the time then.