Is ninja dps starting to fall behind?

[PFM]

Ninja is fine, pretty much equivalent to Dragoon at the fat part of the curve. Machinist is out of whack and higher than both of them at more data points than I'm sure the developers like, and Bard is in the gutter because fight design is crippling for them.

[Cetonis]

More broadly, you could just say that Machinist isn't really impacted much at all by fight mechanics, so long as the windows exist to build a functional buff alignment plan.

SE's done a good job keeping BLM vs. SMN balanced via fight design, and by adding Monk-like mechanics to DRG and NIN that kind of took care of itself. But in the midst of all this they've left Bards just kind of out there in the elements, swinging wildly from feast to famine depending on what SE happened to do to balance the other roles in a given fight.

[Zahalith]

NIN is the bandaid for the raid group. You help indirectly with your utility to bring the best out of others

[shao32]

they can buff dancing edge for have more independence when whe are trying to make our best dps whitout a WAR, or worse, having a WAR how never try to have eye 100% of the time, is pretty annoying depend so much from WAR when the other classes don't have this problem, not in the same lvl at least.

[JackFross]

they can buff dancing edge for have more independence when whe are trying to make our best dps whitout a WAR, or worse, having a WAR how never try to have eye 100% of the time, is pretty annoying depend so much from WAR when the other classes don't have this problem, not in the same lvl at least.

Shhhh. Don't give them any ideas. They might add piercing debuff to MCH and BRD so that the DRG slot in parties isn't a 100% given anymore!

[JisKing98]

I would love it if they buffed our damage. A nin can dream ;-;

[Metalwrath]

Ninja dps is fine like it's always been.It's never really been in a bad spot.Just we've had bad players on Ninja.Even if you aren't beating other dps on Ninja does it really matter if you're helping your MT stay in offensive stance and applying a constant debuff to the boss for more damage.
Ninjas need to focus more on what Ninja brings to teamplay instead of worrying about personal dps.

[Zahalith]

Kinda ties it to the east vs west ffxiv culture (exceptions within exist ofc). NA you push for individual goals while JP push for group. Saying ninja needs a dps buff instead of more ways to provide EVEN MORE raid utility for example

[whiteblade89]

I've been a NIN main for about a year now. And I would agree with all the comments about bad ninjas. It took me a long time to realize that I was a bad ninja at one time. (I'm not the best now, but Im much better than I was). But after learning the tricks of the utilities and mudras, I've found that most other ninjas tend to shirk on some abilities, the biggest one being DOTs. Or not using Suiton and TA (guilty of that at one time). The fact is that ninja is a great and fun class with awesome utilities. The issues lies in the players who don't reflect on their performance or try new things. It's easy to assume that you can shirk on mutilate if Fang is up. Or not applying DE when there's no warrior in the group. NIN requires a well rounded view of the class. But it's incredibly satisfying when you get the hang of it, and is still a great contender in the DPS class.

[Pinkie_Pie]

Ninja dps is fine like it's always been.It's never really been in a bad spot.Just we've had bad players on Ninja.Even if you aren't beating other dps on Ninja does it really matter if you're helping your MT stay in offensive stance and applying a constant debuff to the boss for more damage.
Ninjas need to focus more on what Ninja brings to teamplay instead of worrying about personal dps.

Im just tired of people posting numbers and the ninja is always 3rd in dps 200-300 dps lower then monk,drgs and blms.