Can we have option to VK a player because they are below a reasonable skill level?

[Teraluna]

except you can't do that here in DF unless they happen to be in your server

Maybe the question is - how many people would want to?

From the comments here I would say the mmo environment has changed from those days in WoW. Harsher behaviour seen wrongly as being more hardcore maybe.
Raids in the past where equally, if not more, daunting than some of today's. Yet overall, seemed to be approached with a more social mindset.
You'd always get the occasional jerk, but these guys soon realized acting that way wouldn't get you invites to the guild raid no matter how good you where.
That's not to say there aren't great people around now, of course there are. But maybe a smaller ratio of the player base than from years back.

[Lambadelta]

See my point ?

Same if you give it to them in a helpful tone without ever saying what they are doing is bad. People will get defensive if what they are doing is called into question, and that is the unfortunate issue with online games.

I myself generally just read reddit during a dungeon, and blanket out all the bad.

[MugenMugetsu]

To add to the number of people who've already said this..."Play Style Differences". Vote Kick and carry on!

[Seraphix2407]

Devil's advocate

But seriously, why should I take your words that I(supposition) play my work bad? afterall I dont know you, never seen you perform MY class, so why should your word matter ? Prove me you can play it better THEN I might listen to you

See my point ?

I know this sounds harsh but many people who has a main job can't even play it properly and then I see someone who barely hit 60 do a better job. I'm all up for teaching people but those who refuse to? No thanks.I'm so tired of ''its my game, my sub, get a life, screw you'' Now few times people say no thanks but thanks for the offer, okay they replied atleast nice and I won't say anything to that person. Even if they were polite and nice to me about me trying to help them out I would still disagree with how they play, but they choose it and well, that's a choice.
A choice I don't agree with, but if that's their choice thats okay by me, they just can't expect people to tag them in battle content where they wont forfill their job. TBH, you don't really need to be maining or even playing a class very well to understand whats wrong or not. I'm not a super MNK for example but when mnks never put dots on or just ignore positionals etc, you know well that's wrong way to play the class. Just a silly example .

[Blackcanary]

See maybe it's just me but I wanna make sure that the dungeon is cleared with out any issues. Now I've had in the past some people advice me on being a monk. But they was never rude to me and said bang out your playing ur job wrong. One guy who was a Tank who had his monk at level 60 just said to me "Fuki your dps is quite low would you like some advice to get it higher" now I'm a serious player I will take any advice I can get so I can do my job right and make my play style even better. Dude gave me so many pointers and also helped me out by sending me tell with his best dps rotations that he thought would make me even better also advice me on better gear. Now my monk is a fighting legend in my mind because of that amazing Tank who was really nice to me. That's how u give advice. Some people who have mentor are a joke they are terrible at giving advice. If your gonna help someone out cause u really want to make them better being patient and kind is the best way to do it.

[PondHollow]

In Bismarck Extreme a tank will unfortunately get kicked if they fail to do the Provoke switch more than a few times, and new tanks can take many times. It doesn't seem like there is anything stopping the OP from what they're asking for.

[Lufir]

Does difference of play style really mean whether or not you've learned your job by the time you are 50+? I've always thought "play style" was more closer to things like RPing, gathering, crafting, or being hardcore raid focused.

[Lunavi]

It sounds like you should be hanging out in PF rather than DF if you can't handle that people aren't as skilled as you are.

[AnaviAnael]

Devil's advocate

But seriously, why should I take your words that I(supposition) play my work bad? afterall I dont know you, never seen you perform MY class, so why should your word matter ? Prove me you can play it better THEN I might listen to you

See my point ?

I'm inclined to agree if it's minor things like a tank or healer not wanting to stance dance. Yes, it's more optimal, but whatever. We'll still get through the dungeon. We may not think they're the greatest at their job, but we lived and got our tomes.


However there is a point where it's blatant that someone is playing improperly.
1. Not using positionals.
2. Refusing to use certain abilities such as Wanderer's Minuet or Heavy Thrust.
3. Not having abilities level 50+ because the person doesn't want to take the time to do the quest. Yet they have time to do dungeons.
4. Spamming one ability (like Rage of Halone) repeatedly and not in a combo.

I know you disagree, but people need to be called out on this (politely). As someone who came from FFXI to FFXIV, there was a lot of stuff to get used to since the games are very different. I've had a lot of help along the way, a lot of nice people, and a lot of not so nice people. The thing we need to realize is we're all imperfect and have room for improvement. When I pick up a new class and someone gives me advice, I try it out. If it works great! A new tool for the kit. If not, then I dump it in the trash. What people need to realize is "let me help you" is not "you're a pile of crap."

[Seraphix2407]

I just need to say it in here. I have 2 FC members being IRL sisters being super ''casual'' in my fc, and they both come from my country, even if they can speak english it still would be fine. However, they are super ''casual'' and I was helping them with some pony farm run unsynced, now I know the dps doesn't matter much, overgear, lvl etc etc list goes on. I saw they did soo much weird stuf in there I wanted to ask them if they wanted to improve and they were all eager. I gave her dervy DRg rotation that I also use because he used to be in my static and FC and one of the coolest guys ever. Now, i gave her the rotation and she typed it down... 10 min later she tried and holy shit.. 90% nailed the opener, was after 10 min?! WTF??!?!!?!?!?!? Ok this person doesn't even do alex normal, they just sit around talk to people usually but this huge improvement in few min? Please, I just really gotta brag about that, players like that makes me enjoy the game more because it simply puts joy to other groups when they play well and not being ignorant and ignore they were bad in terms of rotation or how they play. Now all what matter is they do it in fights and so on, but improved that fast on a dummy? Hell yeah for that. Wish I met more people who was soooooooooooo positive to this and not only that, seing that they were freaking happy made me smil more. Thumb up for those players!!!

Things like this doesn't only bright my day but other players who are like me, love when people love to improve and get better! So if you are one of those players, thank you so much and we appreciate people who are willing to learn no matter how long it takes, because it different to person to person, so keep doing it and you will mostlikely meet people who enjoy being with you in party. Cheers.