Can we have option to VK a player because they are below a reasonable skill level?

[WeekendSoja]

There should be a "kick yourself" option so that when I'm in a pt full o baddies but don't want the penalty, boom instant self gratification lol.

Kicking myself in lieu of fake dc'ing and waiting ten minutes to hope that they kicked me for being offline and spending another ten minutes queued in df spending a total of 20 minutes relaxing. I could lessen my relax time and kick myself!

Wait...I like relaxing and I like fake dc'ing on bad pt's! Don't implement the "kick yourself" option because the fake dc option is super effective in regards to my meditative relaxation time post-frustration of an i220+ any job that single targets trash pulls of 3+.

[Krissey]

There should be a "kick yourself" option so that when I'm in a pt full o baddies but don't want the penalty, boom instant self gratification lol.

Kicking myself in lieu of fake dc'ing and waiting ten minutes to hope that they kicked me for being offline and spending another ten minutes queued in df spending a total of 20 minutes relaxing. I could lessen my relax time and kick myself!

Wait...I like relaxing and I like fake dc'ing on bad pt's! Don't implement the "kick yourself" option because the fake dc option is super effective in regards to my meditative relaxation time post-frustration of an i220+ any job that single targets trash pulls of 3+.

NERF THIS! -ejects from duty-

[Alistaire]

They've also said that it is left up to the GM's discretion if you were correct or not. Just because you kick someone and feel its valid doesn't mean the GM investigating does. People act as if SE has never held anyone responsible for vote kick abuse.

No, that's incorrect. GM discretion about vote kick abuse has never been about this kind of thing; it's mainly about people kicking as a form of harassment or getting their buddies in etc.

[loreleidiangelo]

I misread the "VK" in the post title as "PK", and when I noticed the correction was immediately disappointed.

[SDaemon]

No, that's incorrect. GM discretion about vote kick abuse has never been about this kind of thing; it's mainly about people kicking as a form of harassment or getting their buddies in etc.

If the concern is that this will be used as an excuse to abuse the feature, if our investigation determines that they did perform their duties in an appropriate manner and were kicked due to unrealistic expectations, then it could be found to be an abuse of the vote dismiss feature. A GM investigation will make the final determination about if the feature was used appropriately.

LGM Enkrateia

It is at the GM's discretion if the feature was used appropriately or if it was abused after they make their investigation.

[WeekendSoja]

NERF THIS! -ejects from duty-

LolNerfs...it's sad when you are doing 1500 dps in a 4-man and the total raid dps is 2200...kick me please!!! I don't deserve this! Three other people are doing a combined dps of 700 over me...gosh...

[LadyVal]

In team based game it is natural to expect the whole team to be commited to the goal - which in this case is making the duty as smooth and quick as possible so that we can enjoy the parts of the game which are fun.

Again, you're not understanding that the goal in DF is the clear. The rest is decided after the team is assembled and inside the instance.

I am curious though, why you didn't respond to Lunavi's question... what would you do if this system were put in place and, surprise, everyone else thinks you're not trying, so you end up lumped into the "not trying" queue and kicked from the "trying" queue? I mean, to them, it's a legitimate kick because to 3/7 other people, you suck, so I hope you have a lengthy response about how you would graciously accept the kick and not make excuses about how you actually tried... because by your logic when you're in the part of the group assuming someone else is actively not trying (as opposed to struggling and failing) then that is perfectly acceptable.

[Archaell]

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The point of DF is clear. I do understand that. The strategies to achieve said clear are multiple. Unfortunately it is highly unlikely to get 4 people with similar mindset in one group. If the players could go left for slow and easy run or right for more serious run then it would be more likely to match them together. Even if some players would not use it correctly it would improve the situation.

I did not respond to Lunavi's question, because it felt like taunting. Your question seems like taunting too... but alright I am going to answer it.

There are many players better than me so it is only logical that in some cases they could judge my performance lacking and kick me out. I would not cry about that, I might get slightly annoyed of course, I might rage in FC chat if they did even worse job than I did, but that would be it. This can happen even now so I am willing to live with that.

It might seem that I want to keep worse players than I am away from my Qs, but that is not entirely accurate. All I want are team members that focus on the game instead of their TV and are willing to listen to advice. I find it really unfair when 3 players try their best and the last one is just using abilities randomly to make it look like they are doing something while eating lunch etc. Do you think it is fair? It certainly is common and the people even admit it when asked... at least they are honest I guess.

[LadyVal]

Do you think it is fair? It certainly is common and the people even admit it when asked... at least they are honest I guess.

No, I do not think it is fair. I just simply do not let it upset me because I have more important things to expend my energy and emotions on than that one player in that one DF run of that one expert roulette I did sometime last week. It's largely just... not a big deal.

It's not your responsibility to carry every single person that doesn't want to press more than one button, either. The solution isn't just to have the rules eliminate everyone you perceive that way from your game experience, the solution is to either make them better enough to carry their own weight (even if it's just to finish one boss fight), or excuse yourself if you are really that offended. All you have to do is take a minute to ask someone respectfully about whatever issue you are perceiving. If they snap at you or insult you, kick them. If they are struggling, help them. If they ignore you, ask the rest of the team what they want to do. But if you don't want to ask them what's going on, and you are still so irritated about how badly they play, then it's time to bow out and make your own party or hope you have better luck in your next run. You have to be willing to fix your own unhappiness, not just ask someone else to change the rules to suit your happiness.

[Bdyer]

I think something needs to be added

I was in huakke manor (normal) and the healer still had lvl 1 gear on. The healer would take a single normal hit and die. Then he would complain that the tank was not doing his job. We ended up Vite abandoning that one.