A casual trying to get into the raiding scene

[Shug]

Thanks for the responses and suggestions guys. I'm going to keep up the good fight and hopefully I'll find one. I've used reddit recruitment sub, my server page on this forum, and 3 facebook pages. My FC just got a few 60's in it, so I'll try to get them on board. Thanks again guys.

[Brian_]

I'm going to be real here rather than some yes-man sycophant.

You say that you really want to raid and have transfered servers, left FC's, and even sacrificed sleep to try and get into the raid scene.

And, you apparently play enough to have multiple 60 DoW/M classes.

I don't know if PLD is your main -- I hope it isn't. But based only on what I can see, you haven't been capping your lore (or worse -- you've been splitting your lore between multiple classes when you don't have access to Midas gear). You didn't meld your gear. You didn't purchase many i220 HQ crafted pieces which are sometimes better than un-upgraded lore gear. I can only wonder if you have any concept of how to gear your job -- a skill that usually goes hand in hand with knowing how to play your job.

I've done recruitment for statics before. I'm more than willing to give a casual a shot. But, I look at your profile and it doesn't paint the picture of someone who is trying.

And, lastly, while I understand it's harder to PF these days and probably even moreso on a NA server, I look at your achievements and I wonder where this passion to raid is. You've barely done any of the content in the game -- content which doesn't require a static or stable playing time but still contributes greatly to your end-game experience.

I frequently try to help players like you -- players who claim to be good enough individually to clear content but just haven't been able to find 7 other capable players. I would say that their skills of self-evaluation are more often than not inaccurate.

[alimdia]

not on pc so can't see lodestone but if I see someone without melds that tells me they are not even trying

[Shug]

Fair enough, but if I'm not doing raids, what class do I meld? Why waste my melds on a class nobody will need? Can you see my inventory? I have materia ready to go. Don't say I'm not trying based on things you don't even know. And so what if I main a pally? I have lots of 60's cause I like playing other classes. But if you judge people based on the loadstone and not on seeing what they can do, more power to ya. Not anybody I'd want to play with anyway.

[Critical-Limit]

But if you judge people based on the loadstone and not on seeing what they can do, more power to ya. Not anybody I'd want to play with anyway.

You should have really just one job you're trying to gear for raid. All other jobs should be getting the crumbs of your main class.

They're not judging you to rag on you. They're making a observation, and telling you what they can see and what that might mean to a potential raid leader.

Instead of just telling everyone you're saving materia.

Tell them what lore prices you buy. Do you spread them out over multiple jobs? That was a legit question you didn't answer. And i'd argue it's pretty important.

[Jeykama]

But if you judge people based on the loadstone and not on seeing what they can do, more power to ya. Not anybody I'd want to play with anyway.

Getting into raiding has a lot of analogs to a getting a job. As a wannabe raider, you're an unknown element and a huge risk to groups looking for members so you want to put on your best suit per se. No melds (and 820 accuracy jeebus) is one of the first warning klaxons that you're not willing to go the extra distance to shell out even for cheap T4s on jobs you want to main.

Of course first impressions aren't everything but it certainly sours future negotiations. Keep trying though, but unfortunately the MT position is typically the most stable position in raiding groups looking for reps.

[Phireblast]

I might catch a lot of flak for this but i'm gonna say it anyway:

Raiding is not for casuals. If you are a casual player trying to enter something catered to midcore/hardcore, you will be wasting your and other people's time unless you change your focus. As what people said earlier in this thread in different ways, you are most likely not taking this serious enough. Granted, this isn't the ONLY reason you aren't getting groups, but this is important to note anyway.

[Shug]

Ok, cool. I was taking that all wrong. Sorry I got defensive. I'll meld my pieces on asap and start to focus on gearing more. This is really good info on the type of things people are looking for. And I know paladin isn't everyones top choice to MT, so I'll see what people seem to want more and focus on getting better on drk or war as well.

[randysquirrel]

If you are serious about getting into raiding, you definitely want to concentrate on a single class and gearing it to a sufficient level. Only speaking for my own server, there doesn't seem to be anything in particular demand, I see just as many PFs recruiting for tanks/Heals/Brd+Mch/caster etc

I'm sorry to say though, you'll have to grow a thicker skin if you want to raid. Some genuine points were raised, that from the info people could see that you'd need better gear, and you instantly went on the defensive. People that can't take any constructive criticism are the hardest to raid with. If every time someone suggests something to you in raid you take it as a personal insult, it's unlikely to work out.

[Brian_]

If my first response to my raid leader or static mates was similar to your response to my first post, I would probably have problems finding a static, too. Being mature enough to discern suggestions and take criticism is pretty important to coexisting in a group with 7 other people.

The things I pointed out were not baseless and also not meaningless. If you don't want to meld grade V materia on i230 gear, that's understandable. Grade IVs are cheap enough that any dedicated raider who is going to be shelling out a good amount of gil for food and potions should have no problems buying them.

And, maining a PLD is perfectly fine. I only said what I did because if your PLD was an alt and your main was another class that was fully melded and geared with the BiS lore pieces, then I'd gladly retract my criticism. But if PLD is your main then you either haven't been capping lore or have been spending it on multiple classes -- both of which are not ideal.

So today, if I'm picking between you and somebody else who is fully geared in pre-savage BiS lore / i220 HQ crafted items, fully melded, has cleared a lot more older content even unsynced, and is more receptive towards advice, who do you think I'd pick?