Make normal primal encounters more relevant to the extreme versions

[Destous]

This trend in HW of normal mode primals being near completely different fights than their extreme versions is terrible design. If a player were to go from Seph normal into SephEx, they'd be completely in the dark on at least half a dozen mechanics.

This makes it very hard to get new players into the fights, much less getting them to clear/farm them. It ultimately shrinks the endgame PuG/Static pool to pitifully small numbers compared to the endgame server population.

The normal modes should teach players how to successfully clear the extreme fights. They should be literally the same fight with the numbers tuned down to allow more room for error.

[ruskie]

It's even more fun when you have people that farm Sepphi EX in their sleep and then get into normal and it's like "I have no memory of this place".

[Nekotee]

If it were the same encounter it would make extrem really boring
Because you would already know all the step just have to being the tempo up and it's down

They have to make new mechanics and new attack to make it harder !
In fact all the normal fight prepare you to handle basic extrem fight and you only need to adapt for a few things

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And true to ruskie
Sephi nm or thordan nm are like
What the hell is this place
That's not the dance i know
It hit like a lalafel... barely lost half of my life in one mechanics

When ex fight are almost insta kill

[Jamillion]

So are you asking that they cater to the lowest common denominator, or raise the base skill level required?

[MistakeNot]

This trend in HW of normal mode primals being near completely different fights than their extreme versions is terrible design. If a player were to go from Seph normal into SephEx, they'd be completely in the dark on at least half a dozen mechanics.

This makes it very hard to get new players into the fights, much less getting them to clear/farm them. It ultimately shrinks the endgame PuG/Static pool to pitifully small numbers compared to the endgame server population.

The normal modes should teach players how to successfully clear the extreme fights. They should be literally the same fight with the numbers tuned down to allow more room for error.

Bad idea I'd say. It is the additional mechanics that make the Extreme versions difficult.
The higher numbers on Extreme are basically just so you can't ignore mechanics completely.
If normal mode had the same mechanics as EX have now, normal mode would become much more difficult than it is.

[enthauptet]

It's even more fun when you have people that farm Sepphi EX in their sleep and then get into normal and it's like "I have no memory of this place".

lol yeah that has happened to me. Even moreso though thordan normal is not even remotely close to the ex version.

[DukeGr]

The normal modes should teach players how to successfully clear the extreme fights. They should be literally the same fight with the numbers tuned down to allow more room for error.

This should be the same for everything including raids. This way people can train on boss mechanics on a forgiving environment. Extreme/Savage should just be about more damage done and 1 hit kill mechanics. The problem now is that its too difficult to "learn" a fight.

[Destous]

This should be the same for everything including raids. This way people can train on boss mechanics on a forgiving environment. Extreme/Savage should just be about more damage done and 1 hit kill mechanics. The problem now is that its too difficult to "learn" a fight.

They don't have to be exactly the same, just more relevant in terms of flow. It's very seldom when the phases of a normal primal line up with the extreme version. It's why people can go from a normal primal fight they know by heart to running around like a chicken with its head chopped off during the extreme version. Extra mechanics thrown into extreme primals is fine, but make the experience gained from learning the normal version much more applicable to the extreme version. Right now, the largest similarity between normal and extreme versions is the primal you're fighting.

[Alistaire]

One fight does not make a trend.

[Kaurie]

If it were the same encounter it would make extrem really boring
Because you would already know all the step just have to being the tempo up and it's down
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This would make more sense to me if the normal (hard) version required any sort of farming. We run it once and move on to extreme, so it's not like we've been farming it for months and now move on to farming something else for months. Having the mechanics transfer between the two would be a great way of introducing you to the mechanics and teaching the player. Currently, that is greatest fault with this game. There is such a massive jump in difficulty (from Seph to Seph Ex, from Midas to Midas Savage etc.) with nothing to ease you into it.