Open World Dungeons?

[AnimaAnimus]

Some of the dungeons that we run in instances could be made into open worlds too. Wanderer's Palace, Amdapor Keep, Sunken Temple....no reason dungeons like this, once we run them and once they are done with them, couldn't be converted into an open world dungeon. The maps are basically there, they would just need to open a few extra spots that were covered by debris in the instanced form and they could make them fun venturing spots open world. Put NMs in them, special fates or make them part of certain quest chains for more lore. There is so much potential to double the world size we have now just by doing that.

Plus it would be fun just from an exploration standpoint.

I shudder when I think of how horrible XI wouldda been if Garlaige, Ugg Temple, Bibiki Bay and other such areas were instance only dungeons. But that's essentially what we have now.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

If player behavior is anything to go by, new open world stuff will be mobbed for weeks, preventing you from getting a lick in, followed by everyone abandoning the content and not being able to find people who want to help out.

[koichiresh]

If player behavior is anything to go by, new open world stuff will be mobbed for weeks, preventing you from getting a lick in, followed by everyone abandoning the content and not being able to find people who want to help out.

Sorry, can I ask what you mean by open world stuff would be mobbed for weeks? I'm not sure I totally understand, are you talking about players just camping there or something? I can sort of see what you mean by players could potentially abandon content though, especially older dungeons, but let's be real though, a lot of people who unlock the hard modes who want to just stick with the hardcore stuff stay there. So in some ways, that is already happening.

[Razard]

Sorry, can I ask what you mean by open world stuff would be mobbed for weeks? I'm not sure I totally understand, are you talking about players just camping there or something? I can sort of see what you mean by players could potentially abandon content though, especially older dungeons, but let's be real though, a lot of people who unlock the hard modes who want to just stick with the hardcore stuff stay there. So in some ways, that is already happening.

Two examples: Hunts and the Diadems Dinosaur Island.

The community made it's bed, Poo'd in the bed, then complained the bed smells of poo.

[Critical-Limit]

Sounds like a total waste of time they already tried lots of similar content and it's just a zerg fest. There is no challenge or interest in that. People generally in MMO's don't want to explore they just want to get rewards in the fastest way possible.

Can throw this logic into trash. Just remove it. People just want lore as fast as possible they'll just skip any they can or pull the entire dungeon if they could and lock them out.

It's totally possible to "want to explore" but the effort has to be made on SE part too.

diadem failed because they didn't make the trash hard enoug. They let you fly around which negated exploration in danger.

They gave you objectives you could easily Get the rewards for elsewhere. So the only thing to do was farm dinosaurs.

SE failed to make objectives worth doing. Exploring doesn't mean oh we just wanna look around with no reward. People want explore with a rewArd actually attached to it.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

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What these two said. If there's a quick and efficient way to get rewards, the players will grind it to the ground and once everyone has their fill, no one will bother after that. All rewards are only relevant to the current patch and once the next set of rewards come in the new content later, the old content gets the shaft. That's why open world stuff is never going to stay relevant unless the rewards system gets revamped.

[Zojha]

Exploring doesn't mean oh we just wanna look around with no reward. People want explore with a rewArd actually attached to it.

Or we could just skip the Pavlov. I dunno, this statement just screams conditioning to me. Exploration? Nah. Reward? Yay! Combine reward with exploration and after a while exploration = yay... until exploration doesn't have rewards for a bit.

[Edvardelis]

Two examples: Hunts and the Diadems Dinosaur Island.

The community made it's bed, Poo'd in the bed, then complained the bed smells of poo.

Yeah, hunts are in a bad state right now. People saying they're on the way, gets pulled anyway... Hunts are so over mobbed by players right now that if you're not in a full party you get basically 5% of the total possible reward...

[Canadane]

People saying they're on the way, gets pulled anyway... Hunts are so over mobbed by players right now

You seem to be complaining about both sides of the coin.
You want people to wait for the server to show up or do you want them less outnumbered?

[randysquirrel]

The community made it's bed, Poo'd in the bed, then complained the bed smells of poo.

This made me laugh. at work.
immature4life lol