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  1. #71
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackFross View Post
    My only serious argument is that I can personally never justify spending the mana on Stoneskin for anything. Anytime I want a Stoneskin, Adloquium is both faster and more effective. I'm not gonna SS the whole party, Adlo is both quicker and more effective (esp followed by Lustrate) to pick up the random DPS who eats Height Error during the A8N intermission...
    I don't use Stoneskin like that exactly. I'll use it during the free moments between pulls if I have time to adlo after. In combat I'll use it, if it's raid wide and someone has weakness, think sephirot's phase 2 LB after a party wide succor, especially if we are late. (Adloing them specifically after, would cut its potency by 150 since succor is present. Again assuming I don't deploy, because it's on cool down.) It also really helps keep a6s clean during brawler phase 2 for green orbs. But thanks for the macro tip! It really will help me use them both, rather than just sticking with Stoneskin. xD

    9/10 I'll cringe at someone casting ss in battle, so I use it little, but more justifiably in raid content (because if you can give yourself a little more options, why not xD.)
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 05-20-2016 at 09:59 PM.

  2. #72
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    Areku Foxfire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekotee View Post
    @FoxyAreku
    I'm surprised you didn't go for the crafted torso which has massive crit
    And that you can add 27 crit and 18 acc (cheap meld)
    To reach 97 crit and 110 piety (18 acc bonus)
    Yeah, that's a good option. I guess I just wanted to use lore for the extra mind and vitality.

    So few of the lore pieces are worth anything as a scholar player I wasn't even sure what to buy tbh.
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  3. #73
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    Akihiko Hoshie
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    Well
    I have a hard time using my lore because i mostly crafted my own stuff (gsm and wvr spec)
    I did bought the head piece because it is awesome
    Then lore pants because i did not want to proto-midan one (which is copy od the crafted torso)
    And nothing more...
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  4. #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrz View Post
    I don't use Stoneskin like that exactly.
    I usually just rely on my WHM to do that for me. xD

    I consider the Stoneskin on weakness players to be "not my job!"
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  5. #75
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekotee View Post
    Well
    I have a hard time using my lore because i mostly crafted my own stuff (gsm and wvr spec)
    I did bought the head piece because it is awesome
    Then lore pants because i did not want to proto-midan one (which is copy od the crafted torso)
    And nothing more...
    I recommend the belt and ring. Unless your currents are overmelded or something.
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  6. #76
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    This is what I'm built around and Lore is a Majority of it:

    Current Gear:
    230- Hyper conductive Tetrabiblos (Relic)
    230- Hailstorm Crown of Healing (Lore)
    220- Eikon Cloth Acton of Healing (Crafted)
    220- Eikon Cloth Sleeves of Healing (Crafted)

    230- Hailstorm Belt of Healing (Lore)
    230- Hailstorm Bottoms of Healing (Lore)
    230- Hailstorm Boots of Healing (Lore)

    230- Primal Choker of Healing (Lore)

    240- Midan Earrings of Healing (A5s)
    240- Midan Bracelets of Healing (A5s)

    220- Eikon Iron Ring of Healing (Crafted)
    220- Eikon Iron Ring of Healing (Crafted)


    220 Melds:



    My end Goal SCH Gear is a relic with custom stats (So I can dump the Acc from my 220 peices and pick up the Lore rings then since they are the same stats but with more mind) or A8s Book. Every 230 Lore piece I have would get upgraded to 240. Top would be the A8s Top.

    When I first got my 230 Relic, upgrading from the Sephy book, my Crit hit 1100+. I had to cut it back because with the upgrade, I was still doing the same damage as if I had never upgraded. I feel like it was because the 120ish SS that the sephy book had, was keeping me afloat and when it left I was down to 450 SS. Reeling in my crit to high, while upping my Det and SS (Yum Lore pants and meh boots, but about tied with a8s boots, double but they help me reach a comfortable SS) helped to fix the issue. With Pipira I hit about every rear Acc cap I would need in game (including a8s.)
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 05-21-2016 at 06:16 AM.

  7. #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackFross View Post
    There actually IS a way to macro this. It's /additionalaction or something along those lines. Look it up in text commands when making a Macro. You can remove one skill and add another. I have that set for my DRG when I swap between PvP and PvE - I keep Mantra on for PvE, and I use Foresight instead in PvP. I can get you the actual macro lines I use for it tomorrow! C:
    I made one myself actually! It's a one button push switch from Stoneskin to Blizzard II or vice versa with a notification of what is changing. Thanks again so much xD.

    I chose the lightbulb for my macroicon but none really matters.

    /Macrolock
    /echo You are switching your cross class skills. The following skill will be disabled:
    /recast "Stoneskin"
    /recast "Blizzard II"
    /aaction "Blizzard II"
    /aaction "Stoneskin"
    /aaction "Blizzard II" on
    /chotbar action "Stoneskin" 8 13
    /chotbar action "Blizzard II" 8 13
    /echo Your current cross class has been changed to the following:
    /recast "Stoneskin"
    /recast "Blizzard II"


    xD Its Macrolocked, because its kind of slow and I wouldn't want it to mess up. The game just cant do this action as quickly as hotbar/text commands. Bar 8, slot 13 is just where mine is on my cross hotbar (ps4) and youll have to enter your own if anyone wants to use this. If on PC, use /hotbar instead of /chotbar command.
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 05-21-2016 at 07:11 AM.

  8. #78
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    Quote Originally Posted by tENAxc View Post
    What kind of solo practice do you recommend?
    Sorry I wasn't a little more clear. Challenging solo content can be just about anything you can do solo that pushes you a bit. For instance when I got to level 42, I tried to clear my entire hunting log, and ended up in Mor Dhona long before I was even supposed to be there (I think quests there start at 47). This might not be challenging for you though, but it pushed me. As SCH, I have literally taken on around 5-6 mobs of the same level or slightly higher all at once without feeling any real danger. Tried to do that as WHM and ended up in the dirt.

    I just hit 50 and haven't done much content that surrounds it as I started my crafting classes and have been focused on those while farming poetics from Beast Tribe quests. Those quests can be a little challenging especially if you leave your chocobo stabled. I did rely on taking things of higher level, but now that I am still swimming in older content, there is nothing higher than 50, and my current average iLv is 105, which blows just about everything away. So I gimp myself by wearing iLv 50 versions of my AF in FATEs and the like. I do know about soloing dungeons unsynced, and I think some B marks can be soloed at 50.

    So I am discovering along with anyone else at this point their first time through the game. Hope that helps though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrz View Post
    You somewhat had a skewed example. As long as you aren't overhealing their max HP, it's just as well. Using succor during downtime (invulnerability mechanics or prepull) is a good way to prepare, but during active combat, if you are overhealing someone at 100% health, it's less than efficient.

    Doing this ,you spent two gcds on your succors for only 3/4 of the healing potency (450between shields and heals that weren't overheal.)
    I understand that. However, you changed the situation that was provided from 10K/13K HP to 13K/13K HP to reduce the potency from two succors. We previously were not in an overheal scenario, and instead were in a situation where the player is at 77% health and two 3K attacks are on the way.

    Let me flip the scenario in the opposite fashion. Let's say player is at 9K/13K, which is roughly 70% and doesn't need healing. This wave of damage would leave player at 5K/13K (38%, poor condition) opposed to 7/13K (54% fair condition). One needs a heal ASAP, the other has an increased survival rate should more damage come his way, and may not need an immediate heal. This is what the gcd you saved ultimately costs you in the long run.

    Galvanize essentially loses 1/2 of its effectiveness being cast after the hit comes. Sure it prepares you for the next hit, assuming it comes within the next 30 seconds. There is no getting around that if you want to mitigate damage, you have to use up a gcd in anticipation for it. Can any other job mitigate dmg like a SCH?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    I understand that. However, you changed the situation that was provided from 10K/13K HP to 13K/13K HP to reduce the potency from two succors. We previously were not in an overheal scenario, and instead were in a situation where the player is at 77% health and two 3K attacks are on the way.

    Let me flip the scenario in the opposite fashion. Let's say player is at 9K/13K, which is roughly 70% and doesn't need healing. This wave of damage would leave player at 5K/13K (38%, poor condition) opposed to 7/13K (54% fair condition). One needs a heal ASAP, the other has an increased survival rate should more damage come his way, and may not need an immediate heal. This is what the gcd you saved ultimately costs you in the long run.

    Galvanize essentially loses 1/2 of its effectiveness being cast after the hit comes. Sure it prepares you for the next hit, assuming it comes within the next 30 seconds. There is no getting around that if you want to mitigate damage, you have to use up a gcd in anticipation for it. Can any other job mitigate dmg like a SCH?
    From your original post, you implied that you would succor before damage, even if everyone is at 100% health or else it was "too late." Succoring, before or after isn't wrong, so long as you aren't overhealing, unless it's during a "free" moment brought to you by prepull or invulnerability mechanics, which is all I've been saying. Whether they have 54% health and no shield or 38% and 16% shield, your target has the same HP. The shield will absorb its damage worth or they will regain their HP through natural recovery or embrace alone.In your scenario, both would be equally well off because the damage would be coming again within 30 seconds (you said immediately.) While working with a main healer, succoring after could result in decreased overheal, while retaining a shield to reach over 100% HP, because of the regen effect of medica II/Aspected Helios/Whispering Dawn.

    Preparing for the next hit is all galvanize is about. It's a skill designed to reduce overheal, invest pockets of time (Preshielding), and heal through mitigation, like a 600 potency cure II. (Tank takes damage, adlo, tank takes reduced damage. Same healing potency), and going above 100% health to survive greater than your HP attacks.

    The benefit of your way is that if you need another succor after, you don't lose any potency. This is especially good for level 50 content since you lack aoe healing outside of eos, if you're attempting to solo heal, since your healing partner could finish the aoe healing. At 60 you have indom and emergency tactics, to patch things up, so you don't lose any potency to galvanize and you have better Aoe healing alone, than at 50.
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 05-22-2016 at 12:41 AM.

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